How old is your dad. Is your dad a believer?

My dad died unexpectedly as well. Around 2 years ago. He fell because of a stroke and pass away after that.

It is God's will I guess. God can take away someone's life anytime and that is why we have to be thankful every moment that we are alive.

feel free to tell us what you think, not to use emoticon please. I believe you have bible verses to "equip" us ?

This post has been edited by de1929: Jul 25 2015, 08:39 AM

Huh?! i didn't say anything in the 1st place. On the other hand, u were the one who said it. y dun YOU back-up wat u said wif Bible verses instead?

ok fair enough:

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/4-16.htm
Hebrews 4:16
New International Version
Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

apply petition = approach GOD's throne of grace with confidence.

the keyword actually in verse 14:
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

The faith bro ... and proudly telling u as what my signature is ... Word-of-faith

^^; Eh ... what is this ?

Ta shi ben dan ma?

My million dots, raining down from the sky.

so do you mind telling us what is correct ?
too much poverty to hinder GOD's grace ?
too poor to explain ?
too little to encourage ?
is this your biblical view of live, like picture below ?



too many black and white ?
too much regulation ?


This post has been edited by de1929: Jul 26 2015, 02:44 PM

Dear friends, Thank you for your support and prayers appreciate it alot and now it's back to reality with me and my siblings left to take care of my mother. would not be able to post much here anymore but will drop in whenever i have the time

You are welcome Luffy, GOD bless u abundantly.

Bible Devotions with UW

Beloved



You need to know Bible definition accurately so that Bible interpretation is correct. Whenever the Bible mention the word "beloved" it is always referring to the Believers. You need to correctly divide this, else you won't understand the Book of Hebrews in context.

In the chapter 6 verse 9, in the King James, it begins by saying But Beloved.........The word "But" means that, there is a contrast between Believers of Christ and those who aren't. I want you to stop for 10 seconds and this about this "But".



What Paul meant is that, concerning the believers...........there is better things that concerns Salvation. So in contrast, who are the Non Believers that don't have the better promised as Believers do today, that Paul was referring to? The Answer are the Hebrews who rejected Christ as the Messiah. The Book of Hebrews is after all a Book written to the Hebrews. For them, It's impossible to be brought back to repentance. This is the context in meaning of Hebrews 6:4.

People always get afraid and confused whenever preachers use this passage of scripture to apply to everyone even Christians. By misquoting this, they threatened Christians with fear mongering, that Salvation is not assured ( Hebrews 6:4. - impossible to be brought back to repentance). That is not dividing God's word correctly. Let deal this passage, word by word in detail. I pray and hope this misconception will be removed and laid to rest once and for all.

Hebrews 6 (KJV) -1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 6 verse 1 to 4 talks about, let us move on away from the very basic level, elementary, the ABC, the kindergarten level. What is it referring to? The Answer is, the Laws of Moses. UW, what's your prove of saying this? In chapter 5, the chapter before this, talks about Sin Sacrifices. That is the Law of Moses of the 10 commandments. God is saying, lets move up to the next level, maturity. Don't keep yourself stuck on the very basic level which is the Law. It is pointless for Paul to preach to the Hebrews about the Law when they already knew the Law since young by heart. In Fact Paul was persuading them to move away from that. So it's redundant to say that the "better thing" is referring to Holiness/Sanctification by obedience to the law. If you think that the Law are the deeper stuff that Christian should work their life on, here the word of God very much disagree, in fact God calls you a baby if you insist on holding on to it.

"Doctrines of Baptism" refers to Judaism doctrine of washing of the water (cleansing rites). They believe they have to wash everything, even utensils to sanctify for holy usage. They have to wash their hands, feet, they need immerge in water, put on new clothes before entering the Temple to meet God.

Laying on of Hands, The resurrection of the Dead and eternal Judgement, all these, are also what Judaism believes in.

Hebrews 6 verse 5 to 6, Then what about the part where it says those who have tasted the heavenly gift, who made partakers of the Holy Ghost and tasted the Good word of God? Surely it must be referring to Christians and not the Jews.

Tasted the heavenly Gifts and the word of God means they have sampled the Working of God's kingdom, but does it mean that because of that, the person is saved? The Answer is no. Taste compared to Drinking and Eating are 2 different things. (John 6:53)

Then what about partakers of Holy Spirit? Surely Nobody can do any miracles unless they have the HS in them.

Are you sure?

Judas was among the 12 disciples and He was also among those who could cast out demons. The thing is, None of them had the HS in them. The Power of the HS was on them but not in them. Even back in the OT, Elisha, Elijah all demonstrated the power of God's Spirit but the HS was not in them.

No dear Friends, all in all, Hebrews 6:1-6 was written referring to the Jewish people and not Christians. For them to reject Christ, after knowing all these (Judas a very good example), have been enlightened to know that Christ is the messiah, have tasted heavenly gifts (have seen the works of Christ, the healing, etc), made partaker (in partner) of the Holy Spirit, (referring to the prophets, disciples who done miracles on God's behalf), tasted the good word of God (to see the manifestation from the preaching of God's word,Feeding of the 5000 [example])... for them to still reject Christ despite knowing and tasted all these and rather go back to Temple Sacrifices, To The Old Covenant, saying I don't need Christ even though I've seen it....For them it's impossible to be brought to repentance.

Why?

Because there is no.....more.....Sacrifice left. The work of Christ is the only Sacrifice valid in the eyes of God and the available Grace that gives us Salvation.

Amen? Always see yourself as the beloved in Christ. When the Bible mention beloved, it's God talking to you. God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 27 2015, 07:28 PM

Thanks UW for taking the time to writing the devotional. It takes time and effort to write those out.

Now got to read and understand, even if it takes a few times.

lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.

we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?

u seem to quote the Bible out of context. do u even understand what 'petition' means?

Here, i'll just keep it short wif 1 verse :

“And as it is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment …” - Hebrew 9:27

Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?

Hey guys onomatopoeia OlgaC4 Binyamin 2malaysia pundex,

here are some pretty good reads

I know, but i am addressing the root, whichis poverty.

the above explains.

context is not the king. Holy Spirit is. Once you abide with context, then miracles nullified.
Petition is petition. Apply for something, let the authority decides.

the poverty mindset leads to poverty gospel, and poverty gospel produce poverty mindset. sorry to say:
if you are friend to the judge .... you know the outcome right ?

I am a friend of GOD. Friend = "it is negotiable"... i believe you know Abraham negotiate about sodom n gomorah. For english sake, i use word petition instead of negotiation for luffy's father case.

James 2:23

(JAS 2:23) AND THE SCRIPTURE WAS FULFILLED WHICH SAITH, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: AND HE WAS CALLED THE FRIEND OF GOD.

John 15:!5
New International Version
I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

1. doctrine leads to death. remember fruit of knowledge goods and evil ?
2. you ignored the fact we are friend of GOD, and act like a servant. It's your right to be a servant. But for luffy's father issues, my approach to throne of grace is by faith and GOD's grace, and my identity as friend of GOD.

Thanks for bring this up. I know you are a friend of GOD too ...




This post has been edited by de1929: Jul 28 2015, 06:18 AM

this is the summary, as my replies earlier is probably too much details

If we are friend to the judge.... then you know the outcome right ? relationship rules bro

No one can be saved after death without believing in Jesus Christ. I think that's the foundation of the whole new testament.
If we can pray to God so that everyone can be saved, how good is that but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. This is why we have to share the gospel before the person leave us.



Only God knows our heart whether we truly believe in him. Judging is not right as well, but its good that we seek the truth in the bible, as that will delight God the most. Whether you are a pastor or a preacher, everything is back to the bible. Many Christians nowadays saying "My pastor says this, my pastor says that", that church preaching that, my father told me ..., instead of according to the bible, this and that.

As for the poor/poverty gospel issue, I'm just picking of two verses from Matthew.

Matthew 19:21
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Matthew 19:23
"Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does cherry picking the two verses shows that we have to be poor?

In b4 someone quoted me "Onomatopoeia says we have to be poor to be a christian"

This post has been edited by onomatopoeia: Jul 28 2015, 09:54 AM