And what is that to you with regards to other people's challenges?

Can I know in what context you're referring to?

Faith? Sin?

Then honestly I don't know, what you're trying to say.

Because if you say that I don't empathize with people because I don't understand how they feel, I will say that you are wrong in every aspect.
When I ask you, Accept them for who they are in what context, you can't even give me examples.

When did this happen? Will appreciate if you can be specific rather than do a general statement.

Who generalize what and ostracized what?

How did I generalize and who did I ostracized?

If I ostracize you, I wouldn't bother to take the effort to keep on responding to you, wouldn't I?
Can we remove this premise?

Which is correct, Faith is the way to God, You'll just hit a dead end if you try any other way.
You argued that you feel that you were designed from birth not to have Faith hence you feel I'm being insensitive in saying that.


Well I don't believe God would design anyone that way.

God design us in his image. That is a whole lot in meaning and defeatist mentality is never one of them.

Everything that a person is or has become stems from the choice the person make and the way He/She thinks.

A man is as he thinketh, this is a fundamental truth. So you have to identify what is your gripe about God.

From there you can discover why you have difficulty in believing in Him.

No I respond to you because I am trying to help you understand. Not because I'm compelled by you or anyone else. Don't put words into my mouth.

Since when did I say to just have Faith? The right perspective is to have Faith in God. It's not having Faith for the sake of having Faith.

I think you're not being fair either because you're pushing me against the wall when all I'm trying is to reach out to you.

I mean if you interpret my intention to help you as insulting you or not understanding you and should just leave you alone, okay, you can have that.

Can't force you to believe in God if you are not willing, right?

Have a good day sir.

I don't know your life, you don't know mine. But I've seen this argument many times over the course of my internet years. I was part of it too.

Not sure if you noticed it yourself, but deep inside you're probably looking for a convenient answer. Something that satisfies your worldview.
Everything that don't fit what you want is insensitive, rash, ill-understanding, arrogant ect ect ect. All our fault.

Now you may say 'No I'm not like that'.
But let me tell you the truth: that is what your heart wants.

Self-justification at its deepest delusion.

Why do I say that?

Because I was there. In that kind of rut, getting angry at anyone who tells me what I don't want to hear. Even if that was the answer I needed.

'Oh no I'm not angry'. That is also self-deception. You are angry, even if you insist you are not. Bitterness is the root of a lot of debates. Root of many 'new philosophies'.

Right now your debates go around in a circle of inner-hurt, wondering why nobody understands. Why no one takes effort to understand.

In reality, anyone who don't conform to your desired ideal gets crossed out. Recently that happened on tumblr. User wondered why she got no friends, when all friends are axed off because we don't confirm or mollycoddle.

Yeah, I'm not going to debate with you. Probably won't even read your response because hey, I am axing myself from any more circular logic that I've grown tired of participating in.

If this is offensive, okay. Expected that too. I'd get offended too if I heard that from my end. No lie.
TLDR version: Stop this manipulative behaviour. Please. It's so obvious I can't stand it.

I feel that deadlock is under the bondage of disbelief, it's a stronghold. 

*you guys should understand what I mean.

Ah...Famous Atheists one liners:-

1. Why God does not reset everything?
2. Why God allow evil?
3. Why God kills innocents?

The list goes on and on and on......

Why should I? Before I became a Christian, I used to think like that too.

You should apologize to yourself for making things hard on yourself. This is after all, for your own benefit.
I believe you have a complexity disorder. You need things to be complicated. With that being said, I'm not judging you, just telling who you are.

The Gospel is very fundamentally easy to understand.

All Man has inherited the corruption of sin from Adam and thus is separated from God.
Isaiah 59:2 (NIV) - But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

This is evident and can be verified through your own behaviour.
Galatians 5:19-21 (NIV) -  19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

This world will be destroyed because of that.
2 Peter 3:7 (NIV) - By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
2 Peter 3:10 (NIV) - But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Though you can say it's not fair because of Adam and yet God is also the one who provided the way out and made it easy.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (NIV) - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
John 3:16 (NIV) - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 11:25 (NIV) - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

Why is nothing happening and there's so much evil.
2 Peter 3:9 (NIV) - The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Will He come back?

Matthew 24:37-39 (NIV) - 37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 “For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 “Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 “Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

Revelation 3:11 (NIV) - I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
Revelation 22:12 (NIV) - "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

Can we change ourselves? Do we have that power? The answer is No.
Romans 7:19-20 (NIV) - …18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

What is the answer?
John 14:6 (NIV) - Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 10:9 (NIV) - I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
John 11:25 (NIV) - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

How do I know that Jesus a real person?
You know that Gandhi was a real person even though you have never seen Him with your own eyes. How many records are there of Him? Not Many compared the number of copies of the Bible.
My point is, too many time we are not being fair to the critical evidence of the Gospel because of spiritual hatred and blindness.

There are way too many reference for the historical evidence of Christ. We have way too many archaeological artifacts, writings, pottery, places, sites, etc (you name it) evidence in Israel. You can google them easily.

We even have Non Christians historical records of Christ. And they are hostile towards Christianity and yet it is recorded!

This is something no one can ever refute. And No, this is not a proud or arrogant statement. It is something that we have underestimate and underrated for far too long.

And NO, Stop it deadlock, just read this and digest. I don't want another argument.
If you say this is not what you're seeking, I'll tell you, there's nothing beyond this.
You're seeking something that has no objective.

This is as simple as it gets.

I mean call it whatever you want. You want to pit against me, push me against the wall with "it's not that simple", I'll say sonder and your need to complicate this, is your complexity trying to fill the empty void of your soul and spirit which will never fit.

Only God can. Christ is a living person, a living God who loves you and the only one can complete your deep insatiable hunger. I believe that with 100% certainty.

Deadlocks, are you bitter about something in life? If you don't mind me asking.

I'm sure we are but why harbouring such feeling all the time? People who are perfectly optimistic sometimes are annoying too because I think they are playacting. hehehe,...

When you wake up in the morning, do you feel dreaded or cheerful?

Well, UW has the best intention. I disagree with him too regarding certain things but I don't beat myself over it.

Well, what are you up to? I hope its not smoking weed, shisha, or vape...Kids nowadays...

Do you love your job? How's the Boss? Is he / she a pain in the ass? How's your colleagues?

Then, there's the terrible jam. Ouch...

Then, there's the bills to pay, etc...

I have a younger brother who's constantly making my life a living hell. Well, that's my life..

All part of life, Ed....

Yeah, I get it. Then you need encouragement after all eh? What makes you happy Ed?

Glad to know that you are a normal human being. I guessed we all dread about our jobs and our horrible bosses. 

That's why I worked from home. I don't have to deal with those idiots. 

So, what is it that you onto? Have you discover whether God is real enough?

What kind of source? Please no more youtube videos...

Yeah, Christians tend to not agree with each other most of the time but we hope that we can get along fine.

During your off day, do you,

1. Plan your day
2. Or just do random things
3. Watch Youtube videos.
4. Do nothing.

So what is your definition of happy and meaningful life? Tell it in 100 words or less.

Drafting construction plans, 3D design, etc are tiring but fun but nothing beat working in Oktoberfest..

Can earn more money in 2 weeks. 

Finally mum not around so I can wear the short dirndl. 

I see. Well, do post it or PM me.

Human nature at its best (or worst) depending on one's POV. But how do we incorporate God into this? Do we have time for God?

Sometimes, I feel that I don't pray enough or do enough for God. I don't know about you but for me personally, life without God is meaningless.

Not that I want to force you or anything but hear me out first. Can God make our lives meaningful?

Well, Oktoberfest is once a year. The hard work does pays off. Yeah, the ringgit keep falling every day. 

I think what you are seeking is somebody who's really experienced in biblical knowledge. hehe..

I just started my journey a year ago, still learning and understanding the Bible.

But don't take it too hard when a Christian don't encourage you. Stand up and wipe off that sweat and just have faith in God.

If the sources are verified and not anti-God, why not? We are learning new things everyday.

oh...time to cook dinner. 

See ya..

What? I really have to cook dinner. Dinner can't cook by itself you know.

Its not like I don't agree with you. However, you ought to take it easy too..

You know deadlock?

You came in here with a very high defensive mode, even though none of us here attacked you to provoke your initial response to come.

Then the moment we try to advise you, you start to shout

" Don't you ostracize me", even though none of us are doing that.

Then you setup more provocation until it seem hostile when the intention is never like that in the first place.

I'm beginning to think Sophiera was right.

You were in a way being manipulative doing a lot of strawman.
What's your problem really? You want to "try" and hurt all of us here so that we can finally "understand" your feelings?

Dude, where is your sense of rationality and respect? If you want to join a group conversation, I think the first step is to at least have a common decency to at least try and be friendly instead of doing those repetitive strawman. There is no you vs us. YOU created that scenario on your own. It's like this ironic situation "I'm going to come in here and see what I can get out of it, I'm going to start complaining and be extremely sensitive about it and make them feel like they are ostracizing me. if they  talk shit, I'll slap them halfway". Dude, really?

Yes we are Christians but understand that we are not your punching bag either. All that you have mentioned about Jesus reaching out to the ones in need, we are in fact trying to reach out to you but the more we try, the higher you setup your walls. 

If you're not willing to be open and at least stop to listen, then ask yourself, why are you doing that? Why setup more hindrances and yet at the same time you seek answers? Aren't you wasting your own time here?

Yes, I am with God and God is with me, as with the rest of the believers in here. But we are not God. You have to come to God on your own. We cannot carry your cross, this is something only best done by you alone.

And I want to say you are wrong. God does reveal his secrets. He's not completely mysterious towards people close to Him. To those who don't know God, it's a captain obvious that everything about God is a mystery, duh goes without saying. But that doesn't mean God does not respond. Somehow I get the feeling as IF you think all of us Christians here are living by blind Faith and that God is just an idea or concept that doesn't respond to his people's need. And for us, The Bible is God's word and hence for us there is no other resources to fall on. For us nothing is higher than God.

When you say that you tried going to Church and Pray, perhaps you don't realize you could be reacting to the concept and idea of Christianity when that is not what it is. Do you know God is a personal God? And God intended that you commune with Him personally behind lock doors. You can talk to Him anywhere.

Have you really talk to Him in Faith and believed? Have you given yourself and God enough time to be patience and wait? And Yes Faith is a decision to believe. You don't need conditions or precondition before and only you put your leg into the water. You still have to be the one who take the first step. That is Faith and Faith needs time and patience and perseverance. You may have done the initial part minus the patience.

The fact that you're in this position of questioning, tells me that you are not willing to submit Biblical principles but allow your self intellect to take over. That my friend, is NEVER 100% going to work.

Romans 8:7 (NIV) -  The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.

If you're going to say; "there's got to be another" and still be stubborn about this, thinking that you think you know the way to God better than the rest of us here, Then I will only wish you all the best.

Just because God did not respond to you, so you take it as the same with us?
That all of us here are just "pretending" God responded?

I'm calling out your intention now. Is this what you're trying to say Are you saying we are all fake?