ability to reason will say don't walk on water, cuz you will drown.

When JESUS say you walk on water, it's faith.

When JESUS say you walk on water, then you replying by "ability-to-reason" with JESUS saying according to gravity human mass is bigger than water mass so human will drown. Now tell me... evil or not evil ?

If you afraid, then ask forgiveness by praying: Sorry JESUS, my ability-to-reason is bigger then my faith. Help me have bigger faith.

That's the real ability-to-reason.

No, I do not think so, which makes the video I've posted here to be equally as significant as well.

I think it is best to establish an understanding here that I do not think faith undermines reason. I think people undermine reasons for the sake of faith.

Not necessarily. The ability to reason is also the ability to ask questions why the ability to walk on water that is based on faith is crucial to connect everything else on why human beings are given the ability to think about it in the first place.

Reasoning is not always against faith, and it has its place. So no, by this explanation, I submit to you that it is not evil.

I think you don't even understand the definition of reasoning in the first place. Please get a dictionary.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 18 2015, 12:06 AM

You can win this conversation is fine. I am here to help and build people. People know i am success, prosperous and blessed.

In case your ability-to-reason fails you, which i know it will fail you, look at increasing cost of living, GST, disappointment in live, not exceeding expectation, and all the shortages you have... remember our conversation


This time: have you read the first line from my own posting ? i think, devil is trying to blind you. Don't you realize ?

This post has been edited by de1929: Jul 18 2015, 12:17 AM

Things pertaining to God's Kingdom, got to be God's way.

Things here on Earth with regards to Man, Natural Law takes precedent.

God designed it that way.


You just have to know which is which.

I've not seen such magnitude of arrogance, and such deterioration from insecurity. "People know I am success, prosperous, and blessed"?

My ability to reason is not meant to succeed nor fail me. I use it in order to make sense with reality and existence, hence, no, I do not think I am being blinded, from whatever you think I may be blinded from (which is most likely seeing things your way, and your way only).

Hence my habit of questioning, not just things on earth, but with reality itself, or the lack thereof, whichever comes first, and whomever you ask.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 18 2015, 12:23 AM

John 8:23 (NIV) - But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
This verse Helps us to understand, there is a distinction. This is not an arrogance but just plain Fact that God's operation is different.

John 3:31 (NIV) - The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
This verse Helps us to understand, the Natural World just cannot supersede God's Kingdom. It cannot touch God in anyway.

1 John 4:5 (NIV) - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
All those videos that you posted conform to this truth.


Now do you understand why I said;

I'm sorry, but they appear to discourage the act of reasoning, unless I am mistaken, and I do not mind being corrected.

While it is said that God may be above above space-time and above our contemporary understanding of reality, it certainly has not laid out any rules that any form of reasoning should be discouraged.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 18 2015, 12:33 AM

Do you need a reason for the Law of Gravity? I don't think anyone does, it's just is.

If you can accept that, same principal apply when it comes to God.

Uhm, yes, we all do. Judging by how gravity can also be an illusion, but not necessarily in the way you think. It's not a "Law" per se.



This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 18 2015, 07:58 AM

GOD's brain is bigger then our brain. Here is some youtube that explain detail about my belief.



This post has been edited by de1929: Jul 18 2015, 10:06 AM

thx for putting in nice word bro. much appreciated

Whatever you makes you happy Bro. I think there is wisdom in keeping Life simple rather than having it complicated. Because IMO, when you're a skeptic, there is no end to the pursuit of skepticism and thus you tend to create many new areas of uncertainty where there really is no need.

For example when the doctor says you need to take this body scan and when you take it, you'll still feel there is a deeper need to probe and when you do that, then there is always this doubt that maybe you'll need more probing.

My Point is, there is no end.


For us Christians, Life certainty is found in God. Health, Salvation, Providence, whatever Life's uncertainty. God is the ultimate point. There is none beyond Him. So there is satisfaction and it ends there.
You know why there is no end with skepticism for guys like you? Because Man is flawed and fallen in nature. Man cannot provide security for another Man. And thus the need to satisfy becomes exponentially insatiable for you.

All those videos that you posted are just ideas from Man who are finite and limited. It's your life really, when you have ample time to spare to keep on searching and finding solace in Man's ideology.
For me I don't have that kind of time to wonder.

I know what I have tasted and experienced, it is enough for me.
But whatever the case, doesn't mean Christians need to ignore the inventions of Science, Medicine, all that we see as God's Grace for Human advancement in life.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 18 2015, 05:42 PM

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If you've not been to Church for some time, come and experience our worship service.

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Are you gonna lead the worship ? still worship leader right ?

Are you gonna lead the worship ? still worship leader right ?

After witnessing/participating/mediating drama over the years, I can say that's quite true. 10 pages of drama and angry debates, in reality just a few points repeated in circles.

Very exhausting.

I dun claim to be God , so i can't reply on his behalf regarding ur fren's circumstances.

but wat little tat i do knw though, comes frm His Word:

AFFLICTION :

In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. - 1 Peter 1:6


Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. - 1 Peter 4:12


Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. - 2 Corinthians 4:16 - 18


For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. - Romans 8:18


REWARDS :

Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. - 1 Corinthians 3:8


Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. - 2 Corinthians 9:6


Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. - Matthew 5:12

& finally,

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matthew 5:45


bro kron_ka, Many many times, we r terribly short-sighted. We focus on our HAPPINESS in this SHORT life. i'm guilty of being short-sighted as well sometimes i get terribly frustrated wif certain aspects of my life too. By no means do i live a spectacular life either. just ur avrg middle-class peon. God didn't promise us a problem free path in this life. He has his reasons for not giving us everything we WANT. our spiritual growth/refinement/maturity is of utmost importance to Him though, for this temporary world is passing away.

What He has promised me though, is the life after this one. The future is so bright u need shades!

ermmm, wat would b a completely satisfactory answer to u?

i roughly get wat u mean, but wat is it, tat u really, really seek, so as to quench ur thirst?

perhaps, u might wanna approach the Bible frm a different angle? say, frm a prophetic POV?

study the many prophecies in the Bible & u might just come to the conclusion only something or someone Divine can possibly make it all happen.

Go on.......u owe it to urself.