There is a think called spiritual intelligence.

As you are talking about intelligence and faith, the spiritual intelligence will able to disect:
1. which intelligence to keep.
2. which intelligence to discard.
3. which faith to keep.
4. which faith to discard.

Not all that we think intelligence JESUS wants to keep them.
Not all that we think as faith JESUS wants to keep them.

Sometimes proud defined as we think too much instead of asking GOD too much.

I know what you mean....yes if Almighty rewards christians with material wealth then everybody be accepting Christ as saviour.

But the thing, that I always ask God in prayer, is why, why He allows fervent christians to suffer like this? I have a cell group member, he is 45 years old, he yearns for a life partner, but till today he is single. He is so dedicated to church ministries. He spends his two weekend days to serve tirelessly, even on week days, he goes for bible study and help out the poor after work. Then he decided to come out from community service to prefessional work, because he thought that he wanted to start a family and stuff like that, because earning at that income doing community work is not going to help him earn money.

But after six months, he worked so hard, the employer decided not to confirm him. He was devastated. He took a long sabatical from commercial work, like 10 years to go into social work, so he was a bit rusty. to make matters worse, he down by some ailment for 20 years. He had to live on a special diet. The ailment resulted in his bony condition, he hardly have any fat on his body. Makes him look a bit socially outcast from his ailment.

I just don't understand why a christian like him, has to suffer like this?

I ask God why? When is his day, when he will see the blessings in his life?

That's already a questionable one, you see. Because the word "intelligence" is also somewhat subjective due to problems in semantics, to add further confusion by having another terminology of "spiritual intelligence" will eventually make things even unclear. Who possesses it? A wise man with white beard, or a modern, young woman? Who can truly say who possesses actual spiritual intelligence then?

And I don't think that thinking too much is an exclamation of pride. I believe it is an inevitability, something that happens within all of us, until someone decided to say them in words.

i am quite sure you are not pentecostal at all... am i correct ?

That's a loaded question, and no, I don't suppose there's an actual denomination where philosophy and religion are in harmony, at least not established in proper institutions.

Science and reason is not the opposite of faith either. That's where many get wrong.

u reply too fast

anyway, try to see response to this youtube and let me know... i am here to help and to build, not to condemn

That's a loaded question, and no, I don't suppose there's an actual denomination where philosophy and religion are in harmony, at least not established in proper institutions.

i give you the hard and adult food lahh... goto city harvest. i don't think you will enjoy, but imo that's the best for somebody with mature understanding like you.

I know it's not fiction, and I have deep questions about the nature of reality itself. However, if religion is to be both doubted and believed, one is eventually compelled to understand the how and the whys of both sides. I don't want to pick sides, so I like to think why both the "real" and "unreal" has to exists within our perceptions of reality. I do these mostly by questioning them everyday, including both scientific and religious explanations provided by everyone.

In other words, I could be an agnostic. I do not think God is a plain myth, but I also do not think science and reason are to be avoided.

Not anytime soon. Maybe I'm just not convinced with you. If you have the whatever this "food" you say that was originated from this "city harvest", then I'm sure you can explain it with more clarity. Otherwise, I'll have to take the leap of faith, but I've stopped going to church for a long time now, so I'll need a good reason.

Bro I appreciated the discovery of Science all the while and I see it as something enabled by God for Man to discover things.

I don't get it what makes you think it is to be avoided.

it's obvious that your "leader" is your "reasoning power"... and you try to mitigate your guilt with faith in CHRIST. I have post loaded youtube in my thread WWJD.

at that thread, you need to dethrone your "reasoning power" and just swallow the youtube. anything you don't understand you can ask.

It is okay to have reasoning power... but who is the leader ? reasoning power ? or faith ?

my job is not to convince you. Holy Spirit will convince you. I just show the venue.

The ability to reason is NOT evil

The ability to reason to mitigate or reject faith IS EVIL or shall i say originating from devil
The ability to reason to build faith better than yesterday is from JESUS.

I anchored on JESUS name, to resolve and help people.
You are on your "ability to reason"... to resolve and help people.

for me, when reason try to dethrone faith, i tell reason to shut up and just obey Holy Spirit.
for you, when reason try to dethrone faith, you try to harmonize reason and faith in the name of humanity.

this is a very thin difference yet crucial.

You're not getting the point. I do not deny faith. I am attempting to collaborate both faith and reason.

Have you asked Holy Spirit whether you are authorized to collaborate faith and reason ? i am afraid your faith is very little bro

Authorized? If one is not authorized to collaborate both faith and reason, why would one be given a brain?

And thanks to you, now you have claimed that reason is forbidden to those whom are in faith.

The ability to reason to mitigate or reject faith IS EVIL or shall i say originating from devil
The ability to reason to build faith better than yesterday is from JESUS.

I anchored on JESUS name, to resolve and help people.
You are on your "ability to reason"... to resolve and help people.

for me, when reason try to dethrone faith, i tell reason to shut up and just obey Holy Spirit.
for you, when reason try to dethrone faith, you try to harmonize reason and faith in the name of humanity.

this is a very thin difference yet crucial.

are you sure ? have you read the second line from my own posting ? i think, devil is trying to blind you. Don't you realize ?
The ability to reason is neutral... you just need to put under faith... not equal to faith

Maybe it is due to the lack of philosophical/intellectual/scientific conversations I see around here, hence my assumption.

If what I've brought to the thread will at least get people to understand both reason and faith (and not ONLY faith) alone, it'll be great, I thought. That includes other schools of thought that does not necessarily from the Bible, that's what I thought.