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post Dec 7 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 5 2015, 07:01 PM)
Warning to fellow Christians. Some jokers have been tearing the Bible out of context and it's gaining popularity on the internet as ammo for internet atheists.

I didn't watch it and I rather not. I know my weakness and this is one of them. Just posting it here so if got people come kacau you know why.

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I obviously have my thoughts about this, but I'm not sure if people are ready for them.

Hint: It's not necessarily in favor to the Bible.

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post Dec 7 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 5 2015, 07:01 PM)
Warning to fellow Christians. Some jokers have been tearing the Bible out of context and it's gaining popularity on the internet as ammo for internet atheists.

I didn't watch it and I rather not. I know my weakness and this is one of them. Just posting it here so if got people come kacau you know why.

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Okay, I've seen the video and I think I did explained this before.

They did not understand why there's OT and what they quoted about Woman in there is definitely out of context.

And I don't say this as a convenient way to brush off an explanation. Already explained this 4-5 times already I think.

The Subject of Woman is in the context of Husband and Wife. The Husband is the head of the Household.

In this context when you're in public, the wife needs to safeguard the entire family integrity as a whole. Scolding your husband in public is really an unpleasant view even from public's pov.

Therefore with regards to this, She needs to know when to be silent and when to speak out at the right time.

With regards to this Paul instruct the Woman to be silent and not to teach her leader which is her husband.

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post Dec 7 2015, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 7 2015, 03:00 PM)
I obviously have my thoughts about this, but I'm not sure if people are ready for them.

Hint: It's not necessarily in favor to the Bible.
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There's nothing under the sky that's not been discussed that's not in favour of the Bible.

And likewise there's nothing that's not been discuss that we have not given an answer.
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post Dec 7 2015, 08:02 PM

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Sudah agak everything taken out of context. Nothing new.

Sigh. I still don't like these stunts.
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post Dec 7 2015, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 5 2015, 09:38 AM)
That's not what it means........nvm......... doh.gif
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But I'm referring to pandan leaves. You know the long green leaves South East Asian used in their cuisine.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 5 2015, 09:43 AM)
Next time, tell them this.

Jesus didn't mind a prostitute anoint and touch him with perfume and hair.

Tell them in that day and age how prostitute dress. If they think it's sack cloth, how gravely mistaken they are.
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Aha! The aunty told me that prostitutes wore veil and long garment. shakehead.gif I never interact with that aunty ever since. A loss sheep like de1929.

Its a fact in the Bible, prostitutes wore expensive wardrobe and jewellery to impress men.

Ezekiel 16: 15 - 16

15 “But you took advantage of your beauty and fame to sleep with everyone who came along. 16You used some of your clothes to decorate your places of worship, and just like a prostitute, you gave yourself to everyone."

I'm like what?! As far as I can remember, only virgins and married women wear veils.

That's what my Jewish friends told me.

QUOTE(Carlo J @ Dec 6 2015, 02:51 AM)
I see, I have yet to know Jewish people.

They're both dialects that are not official languages but commonly used daily languages. Get what I mean?
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I understand. Kinda like Bavarian and German language. Certain similar words are used.
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post Dec 7 2015, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 5 2015, 11:07 AM)
If you are with a group of people who loves healthy food or pursue money, for example, it won't be surprising that you will be influenced by them.
All my life my pursuit is about expanding my projects and getting more money. Hence, I'm indeed surrounded by such people.

I hope its not a bad thing. blush.gif


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post Dec 7 2015, 09:23 PM

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Dear unknown warrior n PehKay

Kindly fix theology flaw that Tina has.

Tina didn't agree to pray for salvation of "lost soul" due to incompatible teaching methods. I believe both of you know what GOD wants. It is soul, and salvation for non-christian.

Nobody has right to comments about my teaching methods, but if i ask people to pray for lost soul imo all of you should pray for lost soul, instead of exercise judgment on me. Am i right ?

below is the snapshot of conversation.

Thanks and be blessed

QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 7 2015, 08:54 PM)
Not everyone accepting JESUS, that is why i asked you to pray for these ppl biggrin.gif

will my teaching methods u say cursing matters with what JESUS wants ?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 7 2015, 09:01 PM)
Yes, I shall not pray until you cease your cursing.
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post Dec 8 2015, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 7 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sudah agak everything taken out of context. Nothing new.

Sigh. I still don't like these stunts.
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If the attacks against Christianity are getting stronger it only means that's a sign that the day is coming nearer.
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post Dec 8 2015, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 7 2015, 03:14 PM)
There's nothing under the sky that's not been discussed that's not in favour of the Bible.

And likewise there's nothing that's not been discuss that we have not given an answer.
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Really? I was worried but, here's a proposal. If you give me the green light, I will start to ask questions about the video, which is not necessarily in favor to the Bible.

The only reason I seek your permission, or anyone's permission here for that matter, because this is the Christian Lounge, where people of the same faith hang out, and it's impolite for me to "disturb".

It would be unfair for to cause a disharmony simply by me questioning about things.

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post Dec 8 2015, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Dec 8 2015, 08:29 AM)
Whatever u do..don't join duummc...yah i know its not near subang but a lot of people hv grown weary with the leadership.i know we hv to submit yo leadership but their rigidity is killing my brain cells. If i propose or suggest something could be done better..the cellies will subject me to tonnes of indoctrination to make me agree with how the church runs itself.

Just look at the sunday sermons..they r turning into bible studies...from genesis now book of Acts. Apparently the church office is going under renovation n the pastors not hv time to prepare sermons so out of 7 billion ideas ! They hv to think of bible study for sunday.

I got no where to go..everybday at dummmc is killing me spiritually. When i go to my gf church i feel renewed as the message is more on jesus love n compassion. Whereas at duummc they keep harping on serving is the anecdote to ur problems. I serve bcause i love jesus n the people he want to save NOT bcause i want to please the leadership n outlet to release my problems.

8 yrs at this church !
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If you think DUMC is bad, you probably haven't seen pure methodist Churches. lol. The Sunday Sermons focus a lot on Man, what we should do or don't do.

Haih, when is the Church going to learn, the ministry of the Law will kills.


QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 8 2015, 08:52 AM)
Really? I was worried but, here's a proposal. If you give me the green light, I will start to ask questions about the video, which is not necessarily in favor to the Bible.

The only reason I seek your permission, or anyone's permission here for that matter, because this is the Christian Lounge, where people of the same faith hang out, and it's impolite for me to "disturb".

It would be unfair for to cause a disharmony simply by me questioning about things.
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2 conditions

1. Keep it short. I mean really short n summarized.
2. Respect our doctrine, don't change or enforce the world or unbelievers opinion of the Bible as the correct interpretation.

A forum member by the name of Loud did that and to us it was heresy. He has absolutely no right to define what the Bible says as unbeliever.




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post Dec 8 2015, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 7 2015, 09:06 PM)
All my life my pursuit is about expanding my projects and getting more money. Hence, I'm indeed surrounded by such people.

I hope its not a bad thing.  blush.gif
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biggrin.gif Enjoy the Lord till we became an "aquatic animal having fins and scales", that is, a person who can move and act freely in the world and at the same time resist its influence. wink.gif


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post Dec 8 2015, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 8 2015, 09:25 AM)
If you think DUMC is bad, you probably haven't seen pure methodist Churches. lol. The Sunday Sermons focus a lot on Man, what we should do or don't do.

Haih, when is the Church going to learn, the ministry of the Law will kills. 
2 conditions

1. Keep it short. I mean really short n summarized.
2. Respect our doctrine, don't change or enforce the world or unbelievers opinion of the Bible as the correct interpretation.

A forum member by the name of Loud did that and to us it was heresy. He has absolutely no right to define what the Bible says as unbeliever.
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Thank you.

Ready guys?

Here's my short take on the video as shown by Sophiera about the similarities of the violence in the Bible and the Quran.

While the issue may have been taken out of the context, it does not change the fact that the acts itself are barbaric in nature, and it is only natural to think that "contexts" should not be a form of excuse to deny something horrifying in the first place.

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post Dec 8 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(VinniJeyaa @ Dec 7 2015, 08:15 PM)
Man this is too deep. Wish I could understand....  notworthy.gif
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Which part are you having hard time with? You can always ask. smile.gif

Welcome to the thread.


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post Dec 8 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(VinniJeyaa @ Dec 7 2015, 11:32 PM)
Your siggy made me curious. Are you a proponent of Prosperity Gospel?
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More on lutheran. church below:
http://www.oasisofcare.org/content.php?cat=42&pageid=87


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post Dec 8 2015, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 8 2015, 09:50 AM)
Thank you.

Ready guys?

Here's my short take on the video as shown by Sophiera about the similarities of the violence in the Bible and the Quran.

While the issue may have been taken out of the context, it does not change the fact that the acts itself are barbaric in nature, and it is only natural to think that "contexts" should not be a form of excuse to deny something horrifying in the first place.
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As expected.

Understand that under the OT, every sins committed were judged then and there, sometimes later but inevitably is still judged because we asked for it. The Covenant.
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post Dec 8 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 8 2015, 09:59 AM)
As expected.

Understand that under the OT, every sins committed were judged then and there, sometimes later but inevitably is still judged because we asked for it. The Covenant.
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Except that it is not necessarily something we ask for, correct? The Bible teaches sins have its consequences, but the stance taken especially in the OT are usually within the realms of only two extreme colours, extreme black, and extreme white. Perhaps one should discuss with such extremities should even be conceived in the first place?
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post Dec 8 2015, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 8 2015, 10:13 AM)
Except that it is not necessarily something we ask for, correct? The Bible teaches sins have its consequences, but the stance taken especially in the OT are usually within the realms of only two extreme colours, extreme black, and extreme white. Perhaps one should discuss with such extremities should even be conceived in the first place?
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God view Sin from eternal pov.....as it is. There's no degree.

We do not flinch if a criminal is hanged or punished but we complained When God metes out Judgement who knows everything that we don't and who knows better.

That's how self righteous we can get. I point that to myself as well.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Dec 8 2015, 11:13 AM)
Precisely thats what dummmcc is turning to..the ministry of law. I attend bsf bible study...i just don't want another bible study on sunday. I felt their policies r killing creativity n lively brain cells. Like their cell multiplication policy has no basis. They just multiply for sake of doing it. For eg a cg of 20...church decided to multiply...but they nvr consider that 8 members were inactive so after split the cg got 5 members n the other 4 members. Over course of 3 yrs..both cg vaporized bcause members drop out one by one. Leadership dont even bother to merge the cg.

Then leadership training conducted like mlm...expansionist policies...i attended a cg that the asst cg leader was undergoing training for cell multiplication. But she was actually practising on vanity bullying older women at her cg..n attracting other guys attention. She was protected by the cg leader even after complains...then she cause several problems.
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post Dec 8 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Dec 8 2015, 11:13 AM)
Precisely thats what dummmcc is turning to..the ministry of law. I attend bsf bible study...i just don't want another bible study on sunday. I felt their policies r killing creativity n lively brain cells. Like their cell multiplication policy has no basis. They just multiply for sake of doing it. For eg a cg of 20...church decided to multiply...but they nvr consider that 8 members were inactive so after split the cg got 5 members n the other 4 members. Over course of 3 yrs..both cg vaporized bcause members drop out one by one. Leadership dont even bother to merge the cg.

Then leadership training conducted like mlm...expansionist policies...i attended a cg that the asst cg leader was undergoing training for cell multiplication. But she was actually practising on vanity bullying older women at her cg..n attracting other guys attention. She was protected by the cg leader even after complains...then she cause several problems.
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I think Bible study preached on Sunday is okay and it is important but there is a need to properly divide the word by bringing the revelation of Jesus out of those study.

If if it's just preaching of the Law, What Thou Shall do and What thou shall not, then it's an empty Gospel. But I'm not in DUMC, hence I reserve my comments.

It's quite normal actually to plan and strategize how to share the gospel in CG. Problems is actually an opportunity for you to exhibit Christ, dude.

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post Dec 8 2015, 11:57 AM

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Who's free on 19 & 20 Dec?

Come to my Church Christmas Musical.
at Bukit Jalil.

Angel's Alert!

5PM

Free Admission.



Last year Musical.



Ahem. wink.gif hint hint.

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