Hey there GPS users. I'm planning to get a GPS cuz i'm always lost in KL. I was wondering,....

a) is it worth the money? is the connection always available in Malaysia here?
b) my friend told me that GPS shows the road and direction, but dangerous to use cuz some roads are 1 way street, GPS doesnt tell. true or false? do advise, and the GPS programme that u use
c) wats the difference between 16 channel and 32 channel??

any other pointers for someone who never use GPS before?

looking to buy bluetooth GPS for Ipaq 4150, hence all these questions.

the questions above i already posted in another section, under networks and broadband, but i post again here cuz i got additional questions, and i felt the above questions might be linked

i wanna ask, like i said earlier, i using Ipaq 4150, and planning to use GPS. Is it good enough?? the specs of my 4150? so far i love my 4150, small, compact, and fast enough. but for GPS (using bluetooth some more) i wanna ask ok or not?

This post has been edited by Baronic: Dec 31 2006, 01:21 PM

hmm, new bluetooth gps user here.. as for ur question
a)for me, i think is worth and connection are always available if u r in open space regardless where u are
b)never directed me to one way road before though.. nontheless, if u see a one way road, juz purposely miss the junction n new route will be calculated to u in no time
c)i think that is how many satelite ur gps can capture.. but AFAIK, it doesnt matter as u juz need a minimum of 3-4satelites to work.. n max satelite u will get is 12.. i juz think la coz the earth is sphere, covered with 24 satelites.. if we on the gps, i think only can get half of the sphere which is 12 satelites.. i think those good chipset got faster refresh/update time..
if u were to use bt gps, the only draw back is u need to bring 2 device and charge diffrently.. other than that, i think it is perfect

The h4150 can use with GPS but it won't be really smooth especially if you plan to use it heavily as 64MB of RAM on WM2003 is not quite enough for heavy usage. However you can cut down on RAM usage such as removing today screen programs & other applications that install into the main memory (RAM).

By the way, the more channel a GPS receiver has the better the reception signal. Furthermore, one need to consider the chipset of the GPS receiver too where a good one should be using the SiRF Star III chipset.

owh ic ic. well, it has 64 mb ram, but of course, not all 64 is available. i right now have 15 mb for program running space. ok?

hmmm, cant seem to find that chipset ben83

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2006-11DSale4108763.htm

that one good ar? worth the money?

or this one

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2006-11DSale4018301.htm

both is not the chipset u mentioned ben83

SiRF star III power hungry, good reception but bad accuracy.

The new Nemerix v.4 & MTK doing better job.

If you are a beginner & just using GPS for fun then a normal bluetooth GPS (put aside the chipset type) will do such as those from lelong, not necessarily need to go for the particular chipset (which might also costs more even if you managed to find one locally).

a) is it worth the money? is the connection always available in Malaysia here?

Is it worth the money depends on how much you use it ans what you use it for. Connection always available? You think it's somehting like tmnet streamyx ah ?

c) wats the difference between 16 channel and 32 channel??

for you usage ...no difference. It's better to look at sensitivity.




b) my friend told me that GPS shows the road and direction, but dangerous to use cuz some roads are 1 way street, GPS doesnt tell. true or false? do advise, and the GPS programme that u use

I donno about that, but i've been using gps for unfamiliar places. Never encountered that problem. You should worry more whether the map is updated or not.

okay cool. wat about the ram requirements as i said above regarding my 4150. okay?? about 15 mb free app running space

15MB of RAM left should be fine for GPS (considering most GPS mapping software required a minimum of 5MB of RAM available) but take note that amount will probably decrease over time especially for continuous usage. Besides, I also advise you to close all running applications in the background so you can achieve optimum performance.

alright cool. thanks for the info.

WHoa wait, one more question. Do u all recommend i get a GPS thingy for my Ipaq 4150? or buy a new pocket pc? like a hp 6515

up to u lo.. whether u wana take 2 device out or juz bring 1
btw, bear in mind that GPS cannot penetrate car roof for satelites.. thus, if u get those build in gps, u might need to place then in front of the windscreen to get reception.. while for bt gps, u can put the receiver at ur windscreen with the pda anywhere around ur car (+-5m coverage).. bad thing is, u need to take account for both device's power.. either 1 device no power, then thats it

owh....didnt know about the roof thing. cooll cool. luckily u tell me. guess i'll have to buy a pda car holder then. thanks dude

i'm using the pda car holder holding my XDA II while the BT GPS sit on anti-slip mat infront of my dash board.. no problem soo far

i'm using dopod838pro...
how can i get GPS to work on it?

What should i buy???
What software should i install?
Is the software updated often?

i badly need it... cause i get lost so often (being sales)
and i travel in peninsular like crazy most of the time...

e.g. for this week
thurs = kuala kedah, kedah
fri = chemor, ipoh
sat = tangkak, johor

or is there a standalone gps to put in car? where can i get it? how much?

Bear in mind that most of Peninsular Malaysia's GPS maps only cover major city areas. Even if there are maps for small cities, it won't be comprehensive.

hmmm, probably not that accurate, but someting would be better than nothing.

@titan u can either buy a bluetooth GPS receiver, or a standalone GPS unit. Bluetooth = 350-550 while standalone can be about 1.6k.

try lelong.com.my and search "GPS"

as for apps, all must pay, but if u know how, can easily get 'ahem' versions. also, people now saying malsing maps are the best (see posts above). i havent personally tried it yet, no time. but i think its the most updated

ok, thanks for the advise... guess i have to shop around

btw, why my bluetooth headset only can use to make calls. but if i on my music player, the sound won't come from bluetooth...

for nokia, my n70 can listen to sound from bluetooth

for me malsingmaps quite detail.

@titan

thats a bit offtopic, but the bluetooth-mp3 capability is software and bluetooth headset dependant.

lol.. wayy off topic.. this aint a thread about N70 nor bluetooth.. nontheless, AFAIK, N70 doesnt support A2DP as i heard somewhere.. how true is that

yikes... sorry... i forgotten... thought i was at the 838pro thread

Hi all, I accidentally reach this thread while doing some reading. Surprised to c my lelong posting (selling GPS) is brought up here.

Well, I've tested my GPS on notebook and HP Ipaq 2868 (with mapking) .... and I think its really helpful.

Just put the receiver on car dashboard, connect via bluetooth to PDA and hold the PDA by a holder and navigate around.

Further ques... PM or email me.

I'm trying to get mapking to work now, found that malsing maps seem to always lead me away from highways. take me through residential area. long, triring, and easy to get lost.

also, bringing up the thread cuz people asking questions on GPS

Thr's 1 option in routing, you may set to 'recommended' instead of 'shortest route'

Hi all!

Hmmm do we need to pay for this gps service? if yes, whats the rate?

Imagine this,

GPS = Bluetooth. Do u have to pay for bluetooth? lol, no right? ok, so all u need is a GPS receiver first (like a bluetooth receiver, if u dun have, u cannot use bluetooth mar)

Once u got bluetooth receiver, yay, u can use bluetooth. (or GPS, anyway, just using bluetooth as reference)

However, u need a GPS map software. U already have the hardware, but u need software too.

This is the part u must pay. Usually a one time payment, to buy a software, and then install in your pocket pc. Once such commercial software is MapKing. One such free (and more up to date, since its by malaysians for maaysians) is malsing maps

This is me. (seeing an example maybe can help u understand better)

I bought a pocket pc, Dopod p100. It has inbuilt GPS receiver, so that solves my hardware problem, i dun need to buy another GPS receiver.

But i need software. So, i elect to use malsing maps, which is free. I install into my pocket pc, and thats it! I'm good to go! No additional charges d. All i paid for is my pocket pc.

Ohh..okay! thanks dude! hmm so i guess u are paying for that Mapking software eh?

Is this GPS receiver can be use for other thing, like perimeter survey or something else than use it for find location to one place from another.

well, i use malsing maps. I do have mapking, but dunno how to use. (its ahem version, aisay, all the shops when u buy GPS they give u mapking also ahem version la. how i know? cuz they give u version 7. If u know where to find u can get version 10)

I think most ppl here are getting it wrong, malsingmaps are maps, not software. Software are like Garmin Que, Mapking etc.

So there's actually few parts that u need to use GPS, hardware + software + maps.

Check out Malsingmaps.com and you'll find all you need to know, FOC.

well usually maps made for one software can be only used by that software. so can say software also wat the maps

This post has been edited by Baronic: Dec 30 2006, 09:57 AM

How much this device cost (GPS)? Any recommended (popular, most valued for money, easy to set up and use).

U want a standalone GPS unit, (hyper expensive, normally for rich people lol, can cost a few thousands i think)

a GPS receiver, that connects through bluetooth to either laptop or pda? (about 300-500 bucks)

for PDA with INBUILT GPS i recommend Dopod p100, i'm using, lowyat selling rm999 brand new

I'm using PODO GPS Receiver for My O2 Atom problem is the antenna is the problem if you have sunroof in ur car it won't be a problem if not it will be a problem and considered to buy external antenna, ngbh will bring the antenna in his bulk i will considered to buy one from him since i'm using myvi and no sunroof, my brother using rexton he had sunroof in his car so no problem on receiption. I'm using Map King 10.7 rite now working perfectly

This post has been edited by MX510: Dec 30 2006, 10:08 AM

Anyone have the answer?

Well not exactly, Garmin maps are for Garmin devices and Que, Malsingmaps are Garmin compatible maps (and recently Malsingmaps developed Mapking maps). So when referred to Malsingmaps, it IS strictly maps, not software.

Enough of that said, Malsingmaps are the best Malaysia Singapore maps ever!

GPS tells you where you are in coordinates, by capturing GPS satellite signals and then plot the coordinates on the maps you have, so you need maps to know where you are. From there the softwares are capable of routing, telling you how to get to a place from another through roads on the map, and you can choose faster time or shorter distance. Works best with constantly updated maps.

GPS depends a lot on accuracy, meaning satellite signals AND accuracy of the maps in use. The best GPS signal can provide up to 3 meters radius, it may or may not be sufficient for the uses you mentioned.

Thanks

GPS is used for both mapping (finding how to get from point A to point B) and perimeter and land surveying.

The thing is, our current GPS that we buy all those, even stand alone receivers, have an accuracy of 5 meters or 3 meters. That means your location might be off by 3-5 meters.

For land surverying, u need almost pin point accuracy. So u need a much much more powerful GPS unit, which is superbly expensive. I dun know about that, since that's more of a profession thing.


However, if u use Qarmin Que with Malsing maps, the program can show u your current speed, distance traveled etc. So that can help a bit. But dun expect it to me 100 percent accurate. i would say about 70-80 percent accuracy only.

Thanks for the info. Reason i'm asking that question beacause I work in plantations sector (oil palm estate). It can be useful if I can use it for perimeter survey.

GPS can provide you coordinate... The rest of the features all depends of software you are using. Since u can plot the route u drive, you could calc the perimeter, area, etc (its all methematically solutions, u can even calc it manually)

Thanks for the info. But first of all I must get the GPS unit. What kind of shop sell this device (h/phone shop, computer accesories shop or other)? Hope when I go back to Semenanjung this coming January, I will able to get one.

yes can calculate, but like i said lor, depends on the sensitivity of your GPS device. How accurate is it. I guess, i can easily lets say u have a GPS PDA, u can start the GPS from one location, then walk to the next location and check how far u've walked/traveled. but again, will prob be like 70-80 percent accurate

see www.lelong.com.my, search key word GPS for GPS receivers.

If u want PDA with built in receiver, one good pda i recommend is Dopod p100. Lowyat selling rm999 i hear, but i dunno where in lowyat.

Check out Eastgear.com, I bought mine there, delivered to my house in 3 days.

cool cool. thread title changed from GPS for pocket pc, to GPS

what brand you guys are using? there is ppl selling holux and podo at lyn.. its about the same price.

As for my unit, the stated accuracy is 7 metres (Non DPGS) and 1m(DGPS)

Chk out at:
http://www.skybees.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=1414

This post has been edited by liewss80: Jan 3 2007, 09:43 PM

Mine is Holux, accuracy usually around 3-5 meters, the important thing is to get SIRF III chip receiver, better sensitivity.

Are this device come with the sofware? or we must buy the sofware saperately (map sofware)

my accuracy Dopod p100 stated 5 meteres.

some people sell product together with map. But most of the time (not all the time la, but i think most) the software is "cracked" or "ahem" version. So not up to date, especially MapKing. Best is use malsing maps. free and up to date

How to get malsing map, and how to install it to PPC

goto www.malsingmaps.com and read the wiki

yeap, as kucau said.

Thankz. ALready install garmen

One question.

How does using a BT GPS affect battery life of a PDA (for example an O2 Atom Exec)? Does it really affect the battery life of the PDA. I mean when using the software for navigation a lot. With all those animations and tracking and BT data transferring, will the battery life of the PDA be really affected?

Thanks.

When u're running BT GPS, it's constantly sending data 2 ur PDA, that drain the battery. If ur pda BT is idle, not transferring, then not much battery is used. That's what i think.

I'm interested to hear from first-hand user experience. But thanks anyway for trying to help out.

u mean battery life, how long can your PDA last before need recharging? battery life dunno la, but of course, if u're using BT GPS, battery drain faster than using plain inbuilt GPS

that's what i'm confused about.

according to imperialrealcs at post no. 67 here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/388760/+60, he said that those with built-in chipsets drain battery much faster because they must power the chipset as well while BT GPS has it's own battery for the chipset.

hmmmm, lets see.

inbuilt GPS: your Pda must power GPS, and the software

BT GPS: pda must power bluetooth, which is not only on, but CONSTANTLY transfering data. Plus the software of course.

I'm not too sure, but my money would be on that constantly transfering data via BT uses a lot of battery

EITHER way u choose, your PDA will not last long, about 3-4 hours if you're lucky

Solution, get a PDA car charger. No worries at all

Thanks for sharing your experience. My car's electrical socket is being used for something else now, you see.

Anyone else have any opinions?

Speaking of BT GPS, how to go about? Of course there is still the need to get the GPS receiver ya?

Sorry guys, a bit on the clueless side here and furthermore, i had problems accessing the 'Net which means i would have missed out on the earlier postings!

Bluetooth GPS is the receiver itself.

Which shop in Klang Valley can we get a bluetooth GPS receiver between RM400 to RM600?

I 've tried asking at a shop at level 3 Lowyat but it cost around RM900.

Is the expensive GPS device better or it just different in brand and manufacturer? Cause the lowest I see at lelang.com was around RM300 and other nearly touch RM1k

you goto bulk there got one rm350 only very cheap i must say

I think got some better accuracy, (chipset) while the more expensive ones can detect more sattelites at a time, though for our use, 8-16 satellites is more than enough. the expensove ones can get 32, but no point wan since u dun need so many

You can order it from

http://www.skybees.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=1414

Bout the accuracy, I would like to rectify my earlier statement bout the accuracy of my GPS unit. The stated accuracy for mine (16CH) is <7m (Non DGPS) and <1m (DGPS)

I attach herewith the tech spec of my product.



This post has been edited by liewss80: Jan 3 2007, 09:39 PM

What is the different between 16 channel and 32 channel? Because I have seen this GPS unit with 32 channel?

Hi ppl,

im a total in GPS n PDA...but after readin the post in this thread...quite filled edi...hehe...so, now for me to get the GPS working...i need to buy the BT GPS receiver...buy the software....install in pda....download the map....and start using rite???....

just one question....this entire gps service is free is it?....coz my gps receiver can just connect to any satellite and use it for free ar???.....

yeah just connect and its free from there on in.

16 channel and 32 channel is believe is the number of sattelites at a time it can detect max. which in my opinion not much diff also. thats cuz u connect also can normally detect 5-8 onli i think. which is more than enuf.

so if can detect so many, but if i am in a building or under ground tunnel , i totally lost the gps signal also rite??

what if got alot of trees?? under it also lost gps signal??

16ch means, it can connect to 16 satellites simultaneously. the more it connect, the better. gps needs at least 3 signals to get coordinate. its math. but normally, my 16 ch not even fully used. maybe not enough satellite up thr. hehe. anyway, i'm very satisfied with de accuracy already.

then in wide open seas or jungle also can get tracking la?"?

as long as can c sky, no prob. if in tunnel, no matter how many channels also no use. cos no signal.

GPS started off with only 24 satellites orbiting the earth (dunno how many now), put up there by the US Army, so at any one time any one location you can get only a number of satellites visible from the location. Accuracy depends on the number of satellites the receiver can detect based on its sensitivity (SIRF III chip at least!) AND the strength of signals it can detect. It'll need at 3 sets of signals with strength of above 50% to triangulate its 3D location (coordinates AND levitation). The stronger the strength of its signals, the higher the accuracy (currently 3 meters radius the best you can get). The more channels it supports means that it can continuously get a lock as it moves.

Between the receiver and the satellites lies many other things, not only tunnels and buildings, sometimes you can be at a open sky location and yet unable to get a lock on your location due to interference, weather conditions, and also if you are constantly moving, you wont be able to lock on your location if you just switched it on (if moving, you'll need to get a lock on location before you move, thats where the importance of "cold start" comes in, or "warm start" if that was the last location on the receiver was before it was switched off the last time).

Kindly asking if there is any GPS user this system for other than road nagivationin the city like off road tracking, sea or land survey. Can tell me more about it. Thanks in advance

Just to ask, there was a post in another thread mentioning about the Malsing Maps (covering MY and SG)... Are those dedicated GPS maps or also used as normal electronic map?

those are maps for gamin devices...and its constantly updated...u want an updated map or a year old map?

by normal electronic map wat do u mean dude. if u asking if can simply use it to view around, yea of course u can do that. but i recommend using a normal paper map for just viewing

Icic, i was thinking whether the Malsing maps can also function as an electronic version of the standard paper-based maps, if i don't have a GPS service...

can...

u can use in on the PDA or on laptop....

just go to the wiki site of malsing

Thanks... I'll do that as soon as possible... Need such a map in electronic form, at least not so ma-fan to carry a paper-based one!

lol, but i find paper one much easier to read. electronic when go beyong screen must load and all. and even worse when u have no idea the location u're looking for is N-S-E-W of your current position. map book can get overall view easier. But yea, u can use it alone as a electornic map

True true... Looks like both the GPS-enabled electronic maps as well as the standard paper-based ones have their own set of advantages... The best is still to have a paper map together with the electronic version complementing each other... Thats what GPS is for also right?

yep definitely. before going out at an unknown place using GPS, i have a look using a paper map first before heading on the road. this way i can have a general direction to be heading towards.

but gps will mark the road directions also ma.............so maybe u cna just scroll in the pda firest ma

Once you have GPS + routable maps, you can throw away the paper maps, I have never used paper maps since two years ago.

Cool... So it has to be very effective for u eh?

Any latest GPS device?

This post has been edited by Deani_77: Jan 8 2007, 03:01 PM

lets say u on the road. GPS shows u a path thats damn traffic jam already. If u know the general direction of where u shud go, u can take a diff road, and force the system to reroute you to a better path

can the GPS detect traffic jam? (like can we see the roads around us if there are many cars?)

one more thing. you said can reroute a better path. means the software oso shows direction of the roads? coz in KL those roads all like one way nia.

No way, man. GPS detects ur coordinate, then realign ur coordinate on the digital map (software) on ur gadget. Its not a cam to capture image.

It depends on ur map software. As for my mapking, yes. It shows one way road. Whn auto routing, it knows way to guide u accordingly

This post has been edited by liewss80: Jan 8 2007, 04:15 PM

Ok. Thanks for the info. That's really cool.