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post Oct 8 2007, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 7 2007, 11:48 PM)
hi, i just got a HP 6965, but i am quite new to those GPS stuff, and i am quite lazy to go back on those 22 pages, so i will just ask .. sorry  blush.gif

1) Its pretty hard to get a fix on my 6965, it detect but still no fix is acquired, must i wait a long time? 1st time probably atleast 5-15min and must be on open sky, no highrises or inside any shelter. BTW, HP 6965 required Quick GPS update via GPRS/Edge/or internet..have u done this?
2) what are cold start? meaning start up for the first time? Yes as above
3) can the gps tell me the position that i am located and change the map accordingly? Yes..but not change the map, the pointer will move the maps as & when u move
4) which is better? garmin que or mapking? Depending on personal choice, I tend to like Garmin Que better but not easy to setup
5) its pretty laggy when loading the maps, any way to improve it? Depending on ur PDA processor speed...If fast one >500Mhz the loading wil take ~5-8S but slower one will be longer
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post Oct 8 2007, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(kerazul @ Oct 8 2007, 12:10 AM)
Did u update ur aGPS via the internet? Ur 6965 is using a GPS10 chipset which is relatively weak compared to others so acquiring a fix may take longer than normal. But normally after downloading aGPS data, it should fix in a few minutes time max. Also depends on weather.

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Abit of correction. HP Ipaq6965 is using Globallocate chipset by this co: http://www.globallocate.com/A-GPS/A-GPS_Frameset.htm

Garmin GPS10 is a proprietary Garmin product and hv nothing to do wth Satelite chipset.. biggrin.gif All Globallocate chipset needs latest GPS position to acquire Quick fix and thus needs frequent updates....
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post Oct 8 2007, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 8 2007, 12:35 AM)
thanks for the quick reply, i havent done the update yet, so when i am done i will update the status  blush.gif
anyway what i meant is, if the default map is at KL area but i off the gps until i reach let say kajang, then reactivate gps, then will the map change accordingly or i will have to change it manually?
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U need the latest globallocate QGPS update and if not, u probably waiting for >1hr to get satelite fix!
As said the maps won't change. the pointer will pinpoint to the exact location in kajang if u're there...U only change maptiles (If using Mapking) to another region such as if u're in Singapore u need to manually change to Singapore Maps & so do if u're in Bangkok.
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post Oct 8 2007, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 8 2007, 02:55 AM)
activesync to my comp and share internet connection doesnt work on my campus network, the service provider block internet sharing

i already done it, by factory reseting the gps quick connect

now it show expiry time

and i still dun understand what does the gps quick connect do.. anyone care to enlighten me on this matter?
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If u hv notebook wth wifi, goto any free hotspot & download the data....u can also change the default 2 days expire period to 7 days by tweaking the registry. (If u know how- search in the old malsingmaps.com forum)..Or try few more times to acquire the AGPS data via the slow gprs/edge...(6965 having edge anyway...)

To understand more on AGPS, goto the link I given earlier or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

Basically, HP 6515/6965 having the "Not so strong" GPS chipset (as what mentioned by kerasul)...So to enable it acquire GPS faster than others, globallocate (Also the chip producer) came out wth assisted thingy by pinpointing ur latest location via cellphone/internet nearest location and then assisted the low satelite signal to computing the exact location....and thus u get faster fix!...Infact u can get faster fix than a normal superior SIRF111 chipset...(Well I can verified this...my old HP6515 getting faster fix compare to the sirf111 chipset inside my new Asus P535...However interm of accuracy, sirf111 still better than globallocate chipset)


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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 8 2007, 09:37 AM)
oh ic.. what if we are located in a jungle with no line? then, its very hard to get a fix is it? and is it possible to rely just on the HP 6965 GPS withoust the AGPS for it to work?
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U only need to download the data once every 2 days or 7days mah...(I hope u read what AGPS all about by now)....& then all u hv to do is go outside and acquire the satelite....BTW, hv u sign up as malsingmaps member and read their wiki....there are lotsa things to learn there..try spending about a week exploring what GPS all about...It will be better for u this way..and yes exploring the 20+ pages of this thread is another good way to learn...
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Oct 8 2007, 02:13 PM)
aih...my gps this afternoon..when load..take forever to locate my location...dunno y...i m using asus p535...this morning when test on it on the road still ok..but then afterward just now test cannot pula..
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Are u somewhere inside shelter or beside any highrises?..If yes...then it is normal. Sirf111 chipset of P535 although superior interm of quality but as it is not assisted, getting satelites fix surrounded by highrises is not easy when at any one time it can only see about 2-4satelites whereas if u r at open space without any buildings & trees blocking u probably can get about 8-12 satelites on sight.

When I was at Mid Valley on Saturday, I was standing in between Mid-Valley, boulevard hotels & Northpoints...and wth these 2 high buildings blocking my view I can only see max 3 satelites and signals was so low where acquiring the signal took me more than 5Minutes!...Well what to do I need to track, so no choice but to wait 5min...

If I hv used my old HP6515 which is an AGPS system, time to acquire satelite will be faster i.e.. probably <3Min at the same location...but as mentioned few posting above, Sirf111 is still superior interm of accuracy compare to AGPS but time of acquisition migh be slower as it is not assisted. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 8 2007, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 8 2007, 04:11 PM)
Yeah, finally connected and acquired a 3D position, the first startup took a long time , but the 2nd time took only 1 minute to startup

hmm, dunno why my map shows blank, i am using mapking, i dled the kl plus map
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Check the version of the map. If u'r using Mapking G10 u can only diwnload G10 map version & if u want to use 2007 version, u need to rename the ext from g10 to m7a.
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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 8 2007, 04:26 PM)
i already change the extension, but still it shows a blank map.. and one thing is, do the gps know if we are moving, because even though i am moving the pointer remains stationary
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Actually what version of the maps r u using? - U mentioned u r using HP6965, this model is having 240X240 square screen format and required special version from Mapking..Hv u install this 6965/6515 Mapking version of either G10 or 2007?..If u haven't ur unit will show funny/messy image on bottow 1/4 of the screen...

If u r using Mapking 2007, Can u goto tools> Open Map & click on the KL Plus to ensure u choose the correct maps..If u can't see any maps this means the map is incompartible. (On other Mapking probably try & find change map in the menu...)
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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 8 2007, 04:56 PM)
In the download section i only see one, that is Mapking 2007

sad.gif maybe thats why i feel so hard to control the thing, its like really lacking of controls, but the screen fits fine

maybe i should switch to garmin que instead? i kinda hate it cz its map are really confusing
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Actually u will luv garmin que more after using it (I hardly use Mapking nowadays.).....Probably switch bck to Mapking G10 wth HP6965/6515 version and download the Malaysia maps & not KL Plus(If KL Plus u can see KL only)..BTW hv u try Mapking's malsingmaps?
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post Oct 9 2007, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Oct 9 2007, 01:54 AM)
yes, but as far as i seen, the software itself shown in 240x240 automatically , only the startup screen is cutted into half
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Actually lotsa screen will show partially not only the startup..such as the GPS info page, all the utilities pages, & etc....other than the nydot software recommended by krazul which is not free, u can try "reshack" which is free..too bad I lost the link sad.gif ..probably google for it..and guides available if u search in the old malsingmaps forum..search for reshack:


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post Oct 16 2007, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(THT United Gadgets @ Oct 16 2007, 06:52 PM)
Where is it sold? I went to the Garmin dealer in Digital Mall (Geopac Sdn. Bhd.) and they showed me the Nuvi 200W which is going for around M$1900... It is much more expensive when compared with the entry-level Nuvi 200, thats for sure...

However, the device functions quite well when i did the simulation in Penang (i'm going there for hols next month actually!)... It managed to give a reasonably accurate guide on how to get to Gurney Plaza from, say, the Bridge... Still, i plan to check out the 200 mainly due to price difference... Where to get it ya? KLCC / Lowyat / Digital / etc.?
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Get a GPS10X BT unit for ~RM700-RM800. it's performed the same thing as NUVI..I tot u oledi looking for thsi GPS10X since begining of the year hmm.gif
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post Oct 17 2007, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(THT United Gadgets @ Oct 17 2007, 04:46 PM)
Yups, but due to budget constraints, i did not really go about my pursuit for the GPS... Now, its a different story... I've been travelling out of town more often (mainly for holidays! biggrin.gif) and seems to me that a GPS will really come in handy for this...

Well, bro stimix, that unit u mentioned is really affordable... But where can i check it out for a "test-drive"?
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U can check wth the GPS shop that I recommended mths bck at Digital Mall S14. They hv expanded and having another bigger shop just beside the entrance. Look for Kelvin.


Added on October 17, 2007, 7:15 pm
QUOTE(dokidoki @ Oct 17 2007, 05:47 PM)
i m trying to use garmin que on my p535..but the problem is..how to switch the garmin map into 3D view?..

like this user posted image

i cant seem to switch it to 3d view like above sad.gif mine 1 only normal map mode.. i m using garmin que 2.90
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That one is Garmin Mobile XT & not Garmin Que. To use that software u must buy the BT Garmin 10X which I recomended to THT United earlier. Garmin Que has no 3D function. Alternatively u can try Mapking for 3D rendering.

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QUOTE(THT United Gadgets @ Oct 18 2007, 06:50 PM)
That means it;s the same one i mentioned earlier... Is it GeoPac Sdn. Bhd., btw? I was speaking to a chap by the name of Edmond Hee the other day actually... Where is the "parent" outlet, the original one, located?
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If u dun like them, u can also check from others such as the one in Seremban (The cheapest)or lelong.com or ucan check more in malsingmaps' vendors corner...I also noted that the sole distributor of Garmin product in M'sia hv changed.. hmm.gif

http://www8.garmin.com/cgi-bin/dealers.pl?country=Malaysia
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post Oct 21 2007, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(kerazul @ Oct 21 2007, 12:59 AM)
Hi THTUG (ur name very long la biggrin.gif),

I did that a few weeks back also (go driving around Penang with a GPS device) and the POI that I looked for the most was Shell petrol stations. Haha...
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Huh only Shell petrol stations? I was wondering what maps u are using....I'm now in Penang and the latest malsingmaps on Penang is actually more complete & having more POI (esp all the super famous hawker food!) than KL malsingmaps hmm.gif hmm.gif


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post Oct 22 2007, 06:41 PM

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For waterproof GPS system go for Garmin60csx or 76csx or zumo...see the setup by members of malsingmaps (Need to register to see the picture):

http://www.malsingmaps.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=824
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QUOTE(aliex87 @ Oct 25 2007, 01:38 PM)
hey, i want to use gps on my se p1i, isit possible?


Added on October 25, 2007, 1:43 pmhey, i want to use gps on my se p1i, isit possible?
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Is this symbian phone? If yes, then it is possible....find out more about symbian phone, using smartcom, Garmin gps10x & etc from the link below (My siggy) biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kazasho @ Oct 27 2007, 09:25 PM)
ok

have to bump this thread coz the gps pda phone cnt bump by me..lol

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better gps pda phone or pda phone with gps dev?
iphone can use?
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For better accuracy, an ext BT GPSr is adviseable rather than buit-in one..reason - u can place the device close to the dge of w/screen & thus better signal reception.
For normal & all-in one conveniency get the all-in one type.

I-phone usage wth GPS oledi discussed in malsingmaps...seems like Iphone having problem wth lotsa BT devices incuding GPS! unless someone willing to become a guinea pig...
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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ Nov 5 2007, 05:00 PM)
new here....
is there any free map to download malaysia map?if need to buy,the product need the pay next year/month??
need to purchase extra thing not??not very understand why some are buying bluetooth receiver..
last question..can iphone install this gps??
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You can find out more from the link in my siggy or deani's siggy.... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ Nov 5 2007, 11:41 PM)
ohh....god..i really lazy to read it.....
can u pls tell me,i really planning to buy it
still consider either nokia N95 or iphone....
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U better read it or else u will end up regreting ur options such as those buying N95 but end up hv to use another Blutooth ext GPS receiver for N95 bcos the GPSr is suxx! or buying 1phone to pair wth BT GPSr but end up hv to keep the iphone as a toy bcos can't BT!..Dun be so lazy...
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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ Nov 7 2007, 11:13 AM)
thx for all sifu.i hav read abit about it... tongue.gif
but still many ppl want to run their gps with pda rather than gps device...am i rite??
i hv found a useful blog n wanna share with u all...
GPS
hope u like this sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Yes he has written many good review on GPS.. He used to be a regular in Malsingmaps & MyPdacafe too.. thumbup.gif
Yes GPSr wth PDA either built in or ext BT unit are getting popular nowadays.... thumbup.gif ...But dun forget the emerging trend of ppl going for the Garmin Nuvi 200 series (i.e stand alone navigator) bcos:

1) It's cheap..can get for <RM1200
2) & It can record track rite now wth small modification... thumbup.gif


My itchy hand telling to look for this too..drool.gif drool.gif

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