[quote=sanook,Oct 29 2006, 05:22 AM]
Here, we can see the word "Marginal" can also mean [b]almost [/b]insufficient importance, which in essence, is what the word is all about.
I.e.: margin -> border.

Since 40% of the entire population is already nearly half, they really should in practise be able to stop racial discriminatory policies from being implemented, but it isn't the case. This is the reason I support the "non-bumiputras are marginalised" statement simply because we are not given enough say in this matter. And I don't think non-bumis support the idea of being discriminated against.

[b]So, what I was thinking was, to be discriminated is to be insufficiently important. [/b]To me, these two go hand in hand. And I can't tell the difference. But obviously you've got a different opinion because you are looking from another point of view.

You are saying, non-bumis are discriminated but a lot of them became important anyway and therefore refute the assertion of non-bumis are marginalise. I think? :unsure:

To me that sounds kinda illogical, but in the end though, I don't care whether you right or wrong (I'm not saying you're wrong), and I refuse to be pedantic any further. What I really do care is the END of racial discriminatory policies.
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from where I come from, people get really angry and pissed at any attempt to obfuscate via statistical mumbo-jumbo and logical fallacy. let;s just leave the diplomacy and smooth talk to the politicans. we already have enough of those people. it is about time we tell things as it is, unvarnished, raw. smackdown.
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[quote=sanook,Oct 29 2006, 05:22 AM]
[quote=Wing,Oct 29 2006, 03:10 AM]
Before we begin, let me start by saying to both of you and sanook. Try to word your sentence in a more neutral way, since the angier the people, the less likely they'll listen to you and so you both lose anyway, whats the point?
Sure non-bumis hold some political positions but it is in practise, they are really puppets that support whatever UMNO says. Component parties like SUPP, MCA, MIC, etc.

Also, I did say PRACTICALLY in my previous post.
Good points there, but..

The very point of this discussion is NOT to generalise people. (Which is what you said... good. :clap:) You can't blame the entire non-bumis for having a lot of outstanding, successful people. That's their own capability and they should deserve it. I say it is pretty ridiculuous to group somebody's capability by their skin colour. Which IS what the govt is doing to its people.

Perhaps, you're trying say it's gotta be really serious to be called marginalise. But there are a few meanings for the word marginalize.

[quote=dictionary.com][b]marginal[/b]
3. almost insufficient
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Here, we can see the word "Marginal" can also mean [b]almost [/b]insufficient importance, which in essence, is what the word is all about.
I.e.: margin -> border.

Since 40% of the entire population is already nearly half, they really should in practise be able to stop racial discriminatory policies from being implemented, but it isn't the case. This is the reason I support the "non-bumiputras are marginalised" statement simply because we are not given enough say in this matter. And I don't think non-bumis support the idea of being discriminated against.

[b]So, what I was thinking was, to be discriminated is to be insufficiently important. [/b]To me, these two go hand in hand. And I can't tell the difference. But obviously you've got a different opinion because you are looking from another point of view.

You are saying, non-bumis are discriminated but a lot of them became important anyway and therefore refute the assertion of non-bumis are marginalise. I think? :unsure:

To me that sounds kinda illogical, but in the end though, I don't care whether you right or wrong (I'm not saying you're wrong), and I refuse to be pedantic any further. What I really do care is the END of racial discriminatory policies.
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from where I come from, people get really angry and pissed at any attempt to obfuscate via statistical mumbo-jumbo and logical fallacy. let;s just leave the diplomacy and smooth talk to the politicans. we already have enough of those people. it is about time we tell things as it is, unvarnished, raw. smackdown.
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