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TSaddedworth
post May 27 2015, 05:02 PM, updated 9y ago

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There are only so few reasons why you find it difficult to get a job


1) Your skills are not specialized, and there are thousands of others with exactly the same skillset, all looking for a job
2) Your salary expectations are off the scale - You are asking way higher than the average in your field or position
3) Your Industry is Dying - Your skills are obsolete
4) You are old - a lot younger people are competing for your job position, and asking a lot less
5) The job has a preference for youth - front liners, and you have passed that eligibility age
6) There is a freakin recession and generally the entire economy is laying off people


Life is a really tough battleground... for those who have jobs and become too complacent with the present comfort... , you will eventually be dislodged from your seat by some of the reasons above

Actually, even for those holding on to their jobs, the work-life situation is dire...
You get overworked, finger pointed, humiliated, wrongly accused, treated with disrespect, overshadowed ...

All the problems that weigh heavily on the employed, there is really little joy going from unemployed to employed... although it addresses the bare necessities ..

I guess there really is one ultimate solution (besides committing suicide ) to address both problems - of employment, and unemployment
and that is to be running your own business...

Easier said than done , which is what most of you will be saying .. which you are by no means wrong

However, being a winner always require these characteristics

1) You have to be smart ( note that I am not referring to any academic paper qualifications here )

Smart means, able to observe the environment and react accordingly to your benefit....
You have to be able to know what are the possibilities for your next move, and sort them to which to prioritize

I will give you an example:

I am now jobless. I have stuff to pay for. I have tried applying for jobs, but no results.

What normal people do:

Send in existing resume to jobstreet,
Send in existing resume to paper advertisements,
Send in existing resume to headhunters..


What a smart person will do:

Understand what each job requirement is really asking for, by understanding the company business..

Customize each of your resume to fit that expectation
Don't include stuff that will give them doubts..
Just add fuel to the fire..
Make sure to print your cv on a different type of paper (to stand out)
Send your cv via a better quality envelop (to stand out)

or Hand Deliver your application, dress smartly.
Be sure to talk to the HR manager if possible, and be remembered.
Do a follow up call, try to arrange an interview..


2) Get friends to recommend you for positions in their company
If it comes down to it, offer them some incentive if they can get you in

3) Soup up your Resume, to make sure it looks different from the rest ... attach charts, graphs, stuff that will give a wow factor

If possible, try calling to speak to the Hiring Manager, and ask to come by to deliver.
It creates a stronger impression, then do follow up calls

If you are desperate, you cannot do the easy stuff, what everyone else is doing. It's just a waste of time.


If all that fails, work on some quick business ideas for quick income.
Forget about building a website, marketing, etc. It's just too lengthy.
Use existing popular websites - Mudah, Lelong..
Do bogus posting, see what sort of items and what sort of prices evokes a buyer response...
Then go out, source for such products cheaper than the market asking price..
Open a store, be a specialist in your area to be recognize as a specialist in your field..


Also, lower all commitments immediately
- Cut off non essential bills, services..., you need to conserve as much money as possible

Have a car ? Sign up for Uber Malaysia. They are taking in drivers, freelance.

Life is really tough... never get complacent, even if your situation is 'ok' for now..

This post has been edited by addedworth: May 27 2015, 05:06 PM
kinnylaw
post May 27 2015, 05:05 PM

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Let's be frank, it's not hard to find a job, it's hard to find a decent paying job or a job that pay you within your range.
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post May 27 2015, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(kinnylaw @ May 27 2015, 05:05 PM)
Let's be frank, it's not hard to find a job, it's hard to find a decent paying job or a job that pay you within your range.
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Yes, you are right. The job market is going from bad to worse. The salary rate is dropping..
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post May 27 2015, 05:08 PM

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Life is hard....
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post May 27 2015, 05:59 PM

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Ebrn big mnc are cutting cost by hiring contract positions and hiring jobless ppl so they would offer lower salary
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post May 27 2015, 06:07 PM

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To be honest, if I stay too long on Client side, nothing much I can learn because I been fed by contractor most of the time. I have been in a lotsa cycle - client, subcon, maincon, fabricator, and now with EPC.

There are big paid job out there, if you connected with right person at the right time.

And, in my industry, if I want to earn good money - contract position is the way it should go. Permanent post gaji kecik tak dapat nego besar.
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post May 27 2015, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(kinnylaw @ May 27 2015, 05:05 PM)
Let's be frank, it's not hard to find a job, it's hard to find a decent paying job or a job that pay you within your range.
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That's becoz the entire system is geared towards producing workers. From school to uni from our mentality to our culture. Study hard, get good result = good job, high paying job.

Well sorry to burst that bubble but the world does not work that way. It works purely based on the simple concept of supply and demand. Price will find an equlibrium between demand and supply.
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post May 27 2015, 06:33 PM

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they offer contract position expecting low salary from candidates.

QUOTE(mohdyakup @ May 27 2015, 06:07 PM)
To be honest, if I stay too long on Client side, nothing much I can learn because I been fed by contractor most of the time. I have been in a lotsa cycle - client, subcon, maincon, fabricator, and now with EPC.

There are big paid job out there, if you connected with right person at the right time.

And, in my industry, if I want to earn good money - contract position is the way it should go. Permanent post gaji kecik tak dapat nego besar.
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post May 27 2015, 06:36 PM

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This few months I have seen many job ads hiring IT support / IT Executive positions in construction / building / property / real estate / manufacturing / distribution /engineering / retailing industries company.

Anyone knows any idea why there is such a big hiring for these positions recently ?
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post May 27 2015, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(kinnylaw @ May 27 2015, 05:05 PM)
Let's be frank, it's not hard to find a job, it's hard to find a decent paying job or a job that pay you within your range.
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It is easy to find jobs, just the not the jobs with good pay and your dream jobs. Most of us is stuck with jobs we don't like just because that is the job we can get... for now at least.
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post May 27 2015, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Spizzix @ May 27 2015, 06:43 PM)
It is easy to find jobs, just the not the jobs with good pay and your dream jobs. Most of us is stuck with jobs we don't like just because that is the job we can get... for now at least.
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And that, I concur.
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post May 27 2015, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(addedworth @ May 27 2015, 05:02 PM)
There are only so few reasons why you find it difficult to get a job
1) Your skills are not specialized, and there are thousands of others with exactly the same skillset, all looking for a job
2) Your salary expectations are off the scale - You are asking way higher than the average in your field or position
3) Your Industry is Dying - Your skills are obsolete
4) You are old - a lot younger people are competing for your job position, and asking a lot less
5) The job has a preference for youth - front liners, and you have passed that eligibility age
6) There is a freakin recession and generally the entire economy is laying off people
You guys might have been in the market for a long time, so your reality might not be the same as mine but somehow whatever you listed seems "dreamy". I think the reasons someone couldn't get a job is much "darker".


QUOTE(addedworth @ May 27 2015, 05:02 PM)
Easier said than done , which is what most of you will be saying .. which you are by no means wrong
Yup...


QUOTE(addedworth @ May 27 2015, 05:02 PM)
What a smart person will do:

Understand what each job requirement is really asking for, by understanding the company business..

Customize each of your resume to fit that expectation
Don't include stuff that will give them doubts..
Just add fuel to the fire..
Make sure to print your cv on a different type of paper (to stand out)
Send your cv via a better quality envelop (to stand out)

or Hand Deliver your application, dress smartly.
Be sure to talk to the HR manager if possible, and be remembered.
Do a follow up call, try to arrange an interview..
I know you gave an example, but you yourself acknowledge how shitty the situation is, don't you think you can just bet that everyone is at their wits end in trying to figure out how to stand out. Of course you should always try, but your efforts is most likely not going to make a difference.


QUOTE(addedworth @ May 27 2015, 05:02 PM)
2) Get friends to recommend you for positions in their company
If it comes down to it, offer them some incentive if they can get you in
Well... Nothing beats tongkat...


QUOTE(addedworth @ May 27 2015, 05:02 PM)
3) Soup up your Resume, to make sure it looks different from the rest ... attach charts, graphs, stuff that will give a wow factor

If possible, try calling to speak to the Hiring Manager, and ask to come by to deliver.
It creates a stronger impression, then do follow up calls
Again... i like to think of pursuing an unresponsive employer as the same endeavor as asking a reluctant girl out for a date. She has already decided right from the get go that she doesn't want to date you, despite your fabulous graphs and stuff, and there is nothing you can do to change her mind.


QUOTE(addedworth @ May 27 2015, 05:02 PM)
If you are desperate, you cannot do the easy stuff, what everyone else is doing. It's just a waste of time.
If all that fails, work on some quick business ideas for quick income.
Forget about building a website, marketing, etc. It's just too lengthy.
Use existing popular websites - Mudah, Lelong..
Do bogus posting, see what sort of items and what sort of prices evokes a buyer response...
Then go out, source for such products cheaper than the market asking price..
Open a store, be a specialist in your area to be recognize as a specialist in your field..
Also, lower all commitments immediately
- Cut off non essential bills, services..., you need to conserve as much money as possible

Have a car ? Sign up for Uber Malaysia. They are taking in drivers, freelance.
Sweet... noted


Anyways, what are you ranting about? Malaysias unemployment rate is ~3%, thats really low...
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post May 28 2015, 03:20 PM

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Im in HR line, to be honest, it is not difficult to find jobs for fresh graduated or experienced worker because there are plenty of jobs out there to fill in if you noticed that, look at jobstreet, careerbuilder, recruitment agency, head hunter's advertisement etc....

I found that it is getting hard for people to consider to take the offer whereby job seekers right now are looking for extra more elements such as location, nice environment or not, salary etc to suit them, no job is okay for them because parents are still able to support until a dream jobs come and approach them...

as for corporate like us, we also try to be filter unqualified ones as much as possible so that the capable with the right attitude ones is placed. Having say that, we also cannot afford too picky if not every candidates is running away to elsewhere.

IMHO, looks back those our father mother times, they work hard so long there is suitable jobs for them to survive, hence so long you got the jobs that almost what you want, please grab it There is no perfect job out there unless you be the boss !
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post May 28 2015, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(MPK @ May 28 2015, 03:20 PM)
Im in HR line, to be honest, it is not difficult to find jobs for fresh graduated or experienced worker because there are plenty of jobs out there to fill in if you noticed that, look at jobstreet, careerbuilder, recruitment agency, head hunter's advertisement etc....

I found that it is getting hard for people to consider to take the offer whereby job seekers right now are looking for extra more elements such as location, nice environment or not, salary etc to suit them, no job is okay for them because parents are still able to support until a dream jobs come and approach them...

as for corporate like us, we also try to be filter unqualified ones as much as possible so that the capable with the right attitude ones is placed.  Having say that, we also cannot afford too picky if not every candidates is running away to elsewhere. 

IMHO, looks back those our father mother times, they work hard so long there is suitable jobs for them to survive, hence so long you got the jobs that almost what you want, please grab it  There is no perfect job out there unless you be the boss !
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Hi,
Of course, when we speak of 'getting a job', we would all hope that a job pays well enough to own a house and support a family.

What is the point of the thousands of available jobs out there that pays peanuts , and expect us to be living in rented rooms till our 50s ?? Or like the Bangladeshi workers where 8 share a room ...

Also I find that most job requirements are becoming more and more specialized / polarized / segmented. ...

As an example, it's not simply requiring to know a more general subject matter knowledge, such as - Databases, Oracle, PHP, Linux, etc.. but rather very specific software platforms that are proprietary, such as specific backup software by IBM, specific ERP software by some xyz company ... honestly, with software and platforms coming and going every few years, it's rather impossible for those outside the epicenter of a particular product to even have any hands on experience with it...

So I agree, jobs are easily available everywhere, but try getting a job that can pay for a house and a family...

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post May 28 2015, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(addedworth @ May 28 2015, 03:41 PM)
Hi,
Of course, when we speak of 'getting a job', we would all hope that a job pays well enough to own a house and support a family.

What is the point of the thousands of available jobs out there that pays peanuts , and expect us to be living in rented rooms till our 50s ?? Or like the Bangladeshi workers where 8 share a room ...

Also I find that most job requirements are becoming more and more specialized / polarized / segmented. ...

As an example, it's not simply requiring to know a more general subject matter knowledge, such as - Databases, Oracle, PHP, Linux, etc.. but rather very specific software platforms that are proprietary, such as specific backup software by IBM, specific ERP software by some xyz company ... honestly, with software and platforms coming and going every few years, it's rather impossible for those outside the epicenter of a particular product to even have any hands on experience with it...

So I agree, jobs are easily available everywhere, but try getting a job that can pay for a house and a family...
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in certain extend, you pointed out some true pictures in reality and in current job market situation. Paying you peanuts because of you are just valued that much, example a fresh graduated expected a high sky salary which at least 4-5K is unrealistic just because they wants luxury lifestyle or high commitment, everyone knows life is getting tough to own a house, high expenses with taxation, etc but things are earned not asked for it...do not expect drop from sky.

Yes we got to be smart to look for job but does not mean you can customized your CV to meet employer needs. In other words, you are lie to your future employer that things that you do not have (skill, knowledge), if they caught you during interview, that's for sure you cannot hide. forever lie cover the lie

Yes again job seekers got to smart to look for job but you got to know where you are right now...do not expect to jump into high sky when you are not there yet. To build your own career or career advancement, the only thing that last you long is yourself and your attitude...people eventually see your value one day, maybe not the current ones, but the day will come....
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Some companies practice cronyism when it comes to selecting candidates for the job. If you are related to the CEO of the company, the chances of getting hired is higher, even if you are not qualified for the job.
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post May 28 2015, 08:07 PM

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Im jobless too now..hard to get the job that you will feel happy with..
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post May 28 2015, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(MPK @ May 28 2015, 06:32 PM)
in certain extend, you pointed out some true pictures in reality and in current job market situation.  Paying you peanuts because of you are just valued that much, example a fresh graduated expected a high sky salary which at least 4-5K is unrealistic just because they wants luxury lifestyle or high commitment, everyone knows life is getting tough to own a house, high expenses with taxation, etc but things are earned not asked for it...do not expect drop from sky.

Yes we got to be smart to look for job but does not mean you can customized your CV to meet employer needs. In other words, you are lie to your future employer that things  that you do not have (skill, knowledge), if they caught you during interview, that's for sure you cannot hide.  forever lie cover the lie

Yes again job seekers got to smart to look for job but you got to know where you are right now...do not expect to jump into high sky when you are not there yet.  To build your own career or career advancement, the only thing that last you long is yourself and your attitude...people eventually see your value one day, maybe not the current ones, but the day will come....
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I have to point out something that may be not entirely correct:

Sometimes, people are paid that much because they are valued that much...
Sometimes, the company itself is unable to earn the margins sufficient to pay a fair rate...

If what you are saying is true, then most people in Malaysia are not valued very highly at all, since the average household income is RM3500.00
And most of the rest are between RM3500 to RM10,000.00
So, almost the entire country is valued very little, going by your statement

Are you saying, that with recent prices of houses skyrocketing, to say, 650k to 750k for a normal condominium in PJ, around 1100 sqft ...
That someone earning RM8k can confidently say that their income is sufficient to pay for a condo (as landed houses are way off the scale in PJ ) and a family ?
RM8k minus tax and epf, left with RM6k++
6k++ deduct RM3k for housing loan, left with RM3k
Minus car of 1k, left with RM2k..
You have not even deducted petrol, parking, car servicing, your other insurance... lets no even talk about family..
How many people here are able to earn RM8k even ?

And as you go up the career ladder, the top becomes smaller and smaller like a pyramid.
Meaning, while it's easy to land RM5k jobs, try getting an RM10k jobs... try RM13k or RM15k after that...

Do some math, and I mean, really do the math.. Tell me how far does RM10k get you for 1 house, 1 car, and basic living expenses...
Calculate and see how much you have left, and tell me if it's not just enough to get by





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post May 28 2015, 08:14 PM

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By the way, I did not say 'Lie in Your CV'
All I said was, tailor it to what the employer is looking for.
Language is a beautiful thing.. and being able to alter the perceptions of the perceiver is
one of the skills to be mastered ..

If we take a look around, who are the ones who really truly achieve real success ?
Berjaya, Genting, YTL Corp... do you really think people get to the top by being honest ? ..

Morality and Honesty does not equate to Success ... as a person maybe, but not good to be a businessman



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It is also depends which position you applied for. For some positions, the employers prefer younger candidates over the seasoned ones even though you have the skills and the experience for the job. Besides that, younger candidates are easily manipulated by employers by paying them less and working them out to the max .

 

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