basically next 5 year we don't get any new hardware. like thpace say, nothink to post for next 5 year.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 20 2015, 10:49 AM

well AV8 and SGPV already bought in RMK10. so not new order inrmk11. for SAM, it not like ASM missile, if using ESSM, need to order MK41 or MK56, than in front usually should be MK41, it cost usd 15 million per-set (4x2 vls cell+controlles+terminal), if get 2 set than cost extra about usd 30 million. i dont think cost can get approval. also for long time histroy and colture our navy never take role in Air defense (RMAF) job. so vl-miva accept by mindef or navy. also sad SGPV using BAE MK110 57mm gun, SGPV should use 76mm Oto Melara navy gun，just because other local company promote and sell MK110 than we need to buy it?

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 22 2015, 12:25 AM

Pry this 2 bought by our army putd, will be best combination.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 22 2015, 10:43 AM

well it can't compare like this,
SG Formidable class is design as AAW frigate (Anti Air Warfare), our Gowind class just design as ASW (Anti Submarine warfare), so Formidable class have more fire power to Gowind class this for sure. just 2 different design. because we no have dedicated ASW navy ship yet.
we need to wait after finish delivery Gowind class 2022, next 6 unit possible is AAW or GP version of navy ship.
Also by our mindef/defense culture, Navy just take care sea defense, never take role in air defense , and we no have mid-range and long-range air defense missile, so our navy ship only include short range missile for self defense only. air defense will solid take care by airforce, but than this is most bad think because our fighter is limited. and time in air is limited.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 27 2015, 10:03 AM

seriously almost impossible our ramf will get Su35....
much better we go directly to su-50/55 ....

i agree Gowind same class to Indonesia Sigma 10514，even possible Sigma 10514 more better than our Gowind.
so what is your view Gowind positions ？

not really， they take as real exercise and experience，
you know right china military culture is learn US military philosophy and design。bcos they think US have best technology。

well endurance range is pretty standard in this size 2000-3000+ tons, about 4000-5000nm range, but it just ship capability, not include other factor.
formidable class still have 4000+nm range， if conssider his country coast line, even 1000nm range also enough。
btw，our Gowind size increase seem due to crew design for 130+ person and there space, standard crew should be around 100， so it calculate storage size need for marine diesel full, engine Lubricant oil, aircraft fuel (helicopter), freshWater (base on our requirement and crew culture). the freshWater should be around 50 tons max, means ship will run out fresh water with in 7 day, if consider each crew use 100 liter water (shower 2x) if no resupply in sea, it have to back port. also the food refrigerator size only have 1 week capability。

of couse it can multi-purpose use, but his main job is AA. and it classification as AAW frigate.

http://www.damen.com/en/news/2014/01/steel...onesian_frigate

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http://products.damen.com/~/media/Products..._Indonesia.ashx

as long with in （LxWxH） 18m x 4m x 3.85m and with with in 37 tons can fit in to A400M

well PKR 10514 not really small, it about 2400 tons, it 5 meter short from Gowind.
well Indo PKR 10514 as AAW frigate, a lot sensor like ECM and weapon better than as.
only 1 think is gowind advantage is have VDS sonar. due to design as ASW frigate.
and there proportion using CODOE design, better than Gowind using CODAD take alot space and less efficiency。

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 29 2015, 12:44 PM

latest news, China Maritime Safety Administration (China MSA） order 2 unit 10,000 tons Patrol ship, that will increase china 10,000 tons patrol ship to 4 unit。early 2 unit 10,000 coast guard patrol ship is order by China Marine Police

I tot they just use VL-Mica. not sure they already upgrade to essm

i see, thanks for info.

as long mrca no decision, time-time will have mrca offer news ....
unless gov official announce cancel or postpone like 3-5 year.
anyway, just order it, any fighter also can.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 29 2015, 10:40 PM

i must said , very good packages offer by china. AIP system，8 year maintenance+ 2 year warranty， much worth than other offer.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jul 31 2015, 12:05 PM

i dont see as good design.
i more prefer do reclamation land about 300 meter square and built outpost in sabah. much better than this.

well if prefer mobility, lot much better this design, the price not cheap too. i remember news said mobile seabase need 2xx million to built.
i think much easy just get Makassar-class LPD as seabase, cheap, easy operation and better design us by navy compare to "offshore" design.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Aug 2 2015, 11:50 PM

typo error, is RM 2xx mil,
i very remember is last year news tell by defense Minister to gov cost for seabase need rm 2xx mil