I can feel my PC is lag when it's playing hd and full hd videos . The video and the sound aren't in sync. What's the problem ? Is it a poor GPU problem ? Or ? How to 'fine tune' so that the pc is not experiencing the same issue again???

either GPU or CPU, what is your current spec?
has this happen before?

Open task manager on your PC while the video is playing. If the CPU usage is near 100% then it is your CPU not up to the processing power.

Power option maybe? Put on performance mode.

it's been a long time.
Intel core 32 quad q8300
4gb ram (ddr2)
nvidia integrated graphics 9200
this is a pretty old pc .

Should be more than enough.
My old rig E8400 with HD4670 with 4GB DDR2 RAM can play 1080p with ease.

Got try use kodi?

what kodi ?

No matter I use Windows media player , VLC , Cyberlink POWERDVD , or MPC-HC , it's still lag !!! How to resolve this issue ??

http://kodi.tv/
My pentium 4 computer can play using kodi also known as XMBC player.. give it a try

Have you updated your graphic card drivers? this is very important.

yes ' it is up-todate

What OS you are running in this system?

If the system running on Win XP, it should okay since the CPU is release on that era (2008).
If the system running on Win 7 or 8.1, it could be lagging regardless whether you are playing a HD vidoes or not.

This post has been edited by WebWalker: May 19 2015, 06:04 PM

This one.

HD and Full HD videos take quite some power from the system.

Q8300 would work alright but the graphic card has to be one that can keep up, or help with the decoding.

Just buy any RM 100 - 150 graphic card in the market to replace that and it should do the trick.

I face the same thing before, once I start playing HD / FHD videos my system starts to be laggy. I had to upgrade the graphic card and it's fine again.

On the contrary, Windows 8.1 works great even on low power processors these days and many of it can run HD / FHD content with minimal or no lag.

Nah don't think it's OS related. I was running C2D e8400 on Win8.1 Pro 64bit, no issues with 1080p vid.
Moved from Vista --> 7 --> 8 --> 8.1 I didn't have problem with HD videos.


TS, did you tried Media Player Classic Cinema? Another way is to get rid all the codecs and reinstall fresh new pack.

This post has been edited by shakku: May 19 2015, 06:11 PM

win7

yes , the lagging issue persists when I'm playing it using MPC-HC

Any suggestion for graphics card priced between rm100 to rm150???

R7 240 or used unit HD5770?

how bout nvidia??? in this price range, which one would be a better choice ? NVIDIA or AMD ?

R7 240 is above RM 200.

nVidia would be GT 210. AMD would be HD 5450.

I just want a simple graphics card that enable me to play HD videos smoothly , I hardly play any games on the pc ....

The HD 5450 is the one I use for my HTPC.

After that I went on to onboard graphic systems.

I tried it . It's extremely lag. The Cpu usgae run up to 100% when I used the program...

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 19 2015, 06:31 PM

try using basic color scheme first, disable all aero features

Htpc don't need good graphics card?

It doesn't. You're just playing video. It's different from playing games.

Ask yourself - how does Apple TV and other small box devices play Full HD content?

I don't know about Apple tv . Lol . One more thing , I can feel the pc is lagging when I scrool the webpage . What causes this? I did tweak the setting of the mouse at control panel there...
I changed the 'following number of lines ' under vertical scrooling from the default value (5) to 9 . It's still the same. Why ?

First, remove every codec pack and directshow filters.

Make sure your windows is 64bit.
Download MPC-HC 64 bit from here.
https://nightly.mpc-hc.org/
The included 64bit LAVf video decoder is very fast (in software decoding mode).

EDIT: my core 2 quad Q8200 can play all HD video, even HEVC 10bit 1080p without any problem with MPC-HC 64bit nightly with EVR Custom Presenter (resizer bicubic -0.75) + lavfilter nightly 64bit.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 20 2015, 12:01 AM

how to do that ? can you help ? By doing so , it can resolve the lagging issue ? And no need to replace the graphics card ?

the cpu usage for my q8300 always run up to 90% and causing the pc to lag... when playing HD videos...And when it occur , I can hear the noise of fan ....Very noisy!!!

Not need to replace the gpu, nvidia 9200 can be used to resize (bicubic 0.75) the video just fine.
No need, actually you can offload H264 8bit video decoding to your GPU.
Then again, your CPU has enough power to do the decoding for all kinds of video format.

How to remove the codec pack stuff? It is VERY HARD. DLL HELL (this term exists, i am not kidding)
Can't exactly help you with this.

LAVF nightly has very good SSE optimization (vectorized code).

EDIT: For starter, download the stuff first.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 20 2015, 12:09 AM

Download wat stuff ????

Depends on the file is coded with acceleration compliance or not. If not, it still falls back to the CPU.

I would suggest TS to chceck the processing first. Simply check task manager how many percentage the CPU is running at before deciding anything.

And download the latest K-LITE Codecs.

From my experience, older graphic system tend to lag.

I use Windows 7 64bit with MPC-HC and use GPU to help every bit possible (hardware)

On my older system with HD 3450 it worked fine, mostly 720p / 1080p in 8bit.

Once 10bit comes in, it lagged like silly, especially when scenes are heavy or with subs going around.

Yes. Going by TS's post (even before he mentioned 90% load) I reckon the processor is already at its limitation.

Furthermore "lag" could be slight, could be severe. Different people have different tolerance on lag.

But I dont think his processor got problem. I use c2d pentium and duo core socket 775 never have problem when de oding hd movies. Only atom and that Amd E350 are hopeless.

I was on that one. After a while, the APU just lags. I had to add HD 3450, and much later HD 5450 because the APU couldn't take it.

TS - try the settings here with MPC-HC http://blogo.biz/?p=63 and get the right codecs. Who knows a little tweaking is all you need, especially with the GPU acceleration if you haven't get it running.

Same...I think I sold that....too slow...bought a mini itx socket 1150 with cheap Pentium duo core...can run fine. But because I need to pass Dollby Digital + from Netflix to my AVR, bought a 6450 card just for that. Otherwise, the internal Intel HD is just fine for decoding HD movies. This is now my HTPC rig.

Or try to turn it into linux?

Don't know how to install linux...

.....Do you even read my previous post? pw8799


Eh, goldfries , the tutorial you posted no longer applicable since latest mpc-hc already switched to lavf some time ago.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 20 2015, 01:46 PM

http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Ubuntu-Linux

but must choose which linux u want.. just for movies only?

Hi, I have MPC-HC installed on my pc ... now , need to download it again ??? there're many .exe files in the link you provided...Need to donload and install all???
https://nightly.mpc-hc.org

Just download the portable version https://nightly.mpc-hc.org/MPC-HC.1.7.8.199.x64.7z

-.- Extract it to a folder and run it from there.

I just hope MPC-HC loads its built-in filter first because I have no idea what are previous codec pack stuff you installed before.


EDIT: Go to MPC-HC options----->Playback--->Output--->change directshow video to "Enhanced Video Renderer Custom Presenter" and change Resizer to "Bicubic A=-0.75".
Next, go to Internal Filters---->Tick ALL for Source Filters and Transform filters to ensure we use the built-in filters.
Click Video Decoder and select DXVA2 Native at Hardware Acceleration.

Click OK.

Exit and open the player again. Drag your video into the playerr and see if it lag.
If it does, check if correct video filter being loaded, right click on the player (while running the video)---->Filters---->Copy filters list to clipboard---> Paste the clipboard here.


Note: your original mpc-hc probably too OLD, get new one.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 20 2015, 08:06 PM

reinstall window

I have previously format the windows,it's still the same....

before buying graphic card..
try to focus the player/codec first..
uninstall all the player/codec in your windows..
make sure no codec installed..
try to install either gomplayer/vlc/klite codec ...
gomplayer/vlc already have codec built-in meanwhile klite is a codec which can associate to MPC/WMP itself..

......Have you test my recommendation above yet?

How to remove the codec????

Control Panel > Programs and Features > uninstall codec from there (ffdshow/avisyth/LAV/Haali etc)

Ok, I will try it ltr......i m working nw

I'd say remove all the codecs and don't install any codec packs or players,
use only the lates MPC-HC, it has LAV filters build-in and Dxva hardware acceleration is possible if gpu is supported.

I give up advising him. I already posted step by step for him on how to get MPC-HC ready and I don't think he read it....

Your instruction are too complex for non techy ppl

Anyway, by default MPC-HC already set EVR-CP as renderer and dxva is enabled, i've tried the x64 version.
For PC with weaker GPU need to tweak a bit, because EVR-CP is gpu resource intensive, low end GPU cant handle it and the video will play like slide show.

Filters currently loaded:
- Default DirectSound Device
- Enhanced Video Renderer (custom presenter)
- Audio Switcher
- LAV Video Decoder (internal)
- LAV Audio Decoder (internal)
- LAV Splitter Source (internal)
lagging issue persists.... I tried the method u mentioned earlier..... now , i can feel the mouse cursor is lagging , last time only the video is lagging , not the mouse cursor

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 04:27 PM

Mouse cursor lagging?

First, what type of video you are trying to play? Download Mediainfo portable and drag your file into it.
http://mediaarea.net/download/binary/media...outInstaller.7z
Paste the video info here.

Second, you sure the CPU isn't throttling because of overheating caused by CPU dirty fan + heatsink fins?
HWMonitor---> run the video with mpc-hc for few second and report back the MAX temperature.

Third, make sure your GPU driver is up to date.

Fourth, are you sure the your HDD is okay? Disk seek error also can cause 'lagging'

Fifth, what is the amount of RAM installed on your pc?

Sixth, windows 64bit or 32bit?

Seventh, how much is the amount of memory allocated to your integrated gpu?

Eighth, using HWMonitor, check the max CPU clock frequency and report back.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 04:57 PM

1.) it's 1080p mp4
2.) cpu fan not dirty
3.) GPD id up-todate
4.) My HDD is not so good already.... the pc shop technician told me about this.
5.) 4GB DDR2
6.) 256MB DDR2
7.) win7 ultimate 64 bit

the max temp for cpu is about 50-52c . this is the average temp for quad core cpu ...
I clean up my cpu fans quite frequently.
Now , I cant play the video at all using MPC-HC already . An error ' cannot render the file shown' . So , I tried using VLC , it's super laggy....


This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 05:25 PM


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Are you playing the video when screenshot the HWMonitor?

Oh, can you expand the HWMonitor's "Clocks"?

EDIT:
Reason I ask is because something isn't right with the HWMonitor result.
If you use DXVA2 Native (Since mediainfo reported your video can be hardware accelerated), it is normal for GPU utilization to be 97%, but your CPU utilization would drop to 0-5% as it is only be used to decode audio. However, your CPU utilization is 60%?

Not to mention hardware accelerated decoding normally only resulted in 40 - 60% GPU utilization with bicubic gpu based resizer.

Does your system infected by bitcoin miner or something?

Let say if you don't run anything after reboot and just run HWMonitor, does the HWMonitor still report high GPU and CPU utilization?

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 05:44 PM

sorry , i posted the screenshot just nw when i'm not playing the video . I made a mistake .
Here's the screenshot of the HW Monitor when I'm playing the video.
photo2: here's the screenshot when I'm not playing the video.
P/S: I'm playing the video now using Windows Media Player as the MPC-HC is no longer working . I just dont know why.

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 05:48 PM


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Okay, the second screenshot is the proof SOMETHING IS USING YOUR GPU AND CPU.
You need to find out what is using your GPU and CPU.

EDIT:

First, download Process Explorer.
https://download.sysinternals.com/files/ProcessExplorer.zip

Run ProcessExplorer.
Go to 'View'--->'Select Column...'--->select 'Process GPU' tab and tick everything there.
Now FIND the process that use your GPU and CPU.
Screenshot the process~

*Do you restart your pc as I ask?

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 06:00 PM

Disable Aero glass and use EVR only, EVR-CP is too much for a 7 years old low end gpu.

Take a look on his screenshot when he is not playing any video and game.
The CPU and GPU utilization are high.
This is not EVR problem.

I'm using windows classic theme now and disable the aero effct....My pc works quite well when i'm playing hd videos( with aero effect turned on) few years ago....why now become like this?????

Faster download ProcessExplorer as I mentioned on my edited post.

And please RESTART your system.

Too many background process running?
Slow system cant take too much hence the slowdown and high cpu/gpu usage even on idle.

At least could ease up a little bit

Anyway @TS, my lowly AMD dual core APU can even play Hi10P video smoothy, so there is definitely something wrong with your computer

photo1 : before restart without playing video
photo2: after restart without playing video

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 06:13 PM


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can you figure out what's wrong with it ?

Needs an actual display card?

Why your gpu utilization so high even after not playing video?

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This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 06:50 PM

Run ProcessExplorer.
Go to 'View'--->'Select Column...'--->select 'Process GPU' tab and tick everything there.
Now FIND the process that use your GPU and CPU.
Screenshot the process~

Your screenshot is missing GPU load column.

EDIT:
Meanwhile, check how long the svchost.exe (the one with 25% cpu usage) last.
A valid svchost dont use cpu that long.

And please SORT by CPU usage and GPU usage for your next two screenshot later.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 07:07 PM

how to measure the svchost.exe running time ? I did notice that the svchost.exe is running all the times . I checked it at resource monitor there...


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SORT by CPU and GPU first please..........(CLICK THE "CPU" and "GPU" to sort it)

Generally, valid svchost.exe normally execute windows update (that resulted in 25% cpu usage) which last around 2-5 minutes every start up.

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-.- ??
Weird, no gpu utilization this time?

Strange.....doubleclick the svchost and select 'Image'. Report back the 'Path'.

EDIT: just in case, run hwmonitor again and check if the GPU utilization still report 90%++.

You also can manually kill the svchost.exe that use too much CPU though.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 08:00 PM

C:\Windows\System32\StikyNot.exe
sometimes , i killed the svchost.exe using resource monitor , I could see the process is still running

Should I turn off auto windows update???

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 08:31 PM

No.....svchost got many type of services. Example, windows update, network service, etc
You shouldn't play around. Only kill svchost that use too much cpu cycle.

Anyway, how is your GPU utilization at HWMonitor? Still 90% ++ ?

If no longer at 90%, but at 0 - 10%, try play the video again.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 08:36 PM

Gpu utilisation no longer 90% when it's idle . The GPU utilisation boosted up to 94%-98% when playing 720p video now..... and the videoplayback is laggy..

Hmm? I see......change the mpc-hc resizer to "Bilinear".
The one without P.S. 2.0

Probably the shaders resizing too much demanding.

Is your monitor native resolution is 1920x1080?

yea, it's 1920x1080

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 08:50 PM

AIK?????

MPC-HC--->option-->playback--->Output--->Resizer--->Bilinear.

If gpu based resizer too demanding, now we test cpu based resizer.

Ah, increase the EVR buffers to 8.

ok , done the previous steps....
where to find the EVR buffers now ??

Same page....it just under the resizer.........

ok , done what's next ?

Test playing video?

Report back the gpu utilization as well.
The video should be smooth now.

the videoplayback is not very smooth when the EVR buffer is set to 8..(The Gpu utilisation hovers around 90-94% )
I found that the videoplayback is smoother when the EVR buffer is set to 5 ...

This post has been edited by pw8799: May 22 2015, 09:00 PM

This is quite weird. I wanna check something about your gpu now.

First, download GPU-Z and screenshot.

Next, download CPUZ and go to 'memory' section, does the 'channel' reports single or dual?

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-.-....Your integrated gpu has its memory bandwidth limited.....

Which means you can't use any hardware acceleration.

Open MPC-HC--->option--->internal filters--->video decoder--->set "hardware decoder to use" to "None".

Click OK, exit mpc-hc, and open mpc-hc again.

Try playing a video again.


EDIT: IGPU relies on your RAM bandwidth. You are using single stick of 4GB RAM. So, IGPU bandwidth is limited to 10.6GB/s. If you insert another 4GB RAM, the memory bandwidth will be doubled to 21.2GB/s (dual channel mode).

Next, to properly utilize the hardware decoder of your IGPU, you need to allocate at minimum 512MB instead of 256MB at BIOS. Since you probably dont know where to find this settings.....let us try PURE CPU rendering/decoding/resizing solution......

This post has been edited by JohnLai: May 22 2015, 09:18 PM