QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 12:34 PM)
Bad move because you’re just putting all funds into China based funds as most APAC are denominated by China If Emperor Xi decided to clamp down and SOE controlled you will be in big trouble 🤦♀️
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 12:34 PM) Bad move because you’re just putting all funds into China based funds as most APAC are denominated by China If Emperor Xi decided to clamp down and SOE controlled you will be in big trouble 🤦♀️ |
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 03:34 PM) Some funds r heavily China, some funds diversified to other countries in this region. I suggest you instead of buying more APAC diversify into commodities, SEA, India, Japan and Latam funds rather buying into China story 🤦♀️ as Emperor Xi can change policies to suit his narrative The reason i shifted to stay away from more trouble in EU n capitalise on potential growth in APAC In fact way too early to place your bet on China until Xi is confirmed next month as emperor for life 🤦♀️ QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 03:38 PM) That is why you have diversify and buy different fundsIn fact Japan is not that great for China play as geopolitical tensions stemming from Quad Alliance 🤦♀️ Only play for China is always and will be in soft commodities |
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 8 2023, 12:05 PM) FSMone portfolio normally only charge 1.5% sales charges and zero sales charges for selected funds during promotions. Why are you talking about FSM when PUblic Mutual is closed end funds in the 1st place 🤦♀️ as they are not sold outside by any distributors unlike other fund houses buy more unit when market is bad/ on the lower range of the values and wait for the market to recover later. Separate the money invested into few batches and put in money on different day/ time, I.e at least a week apart. QUOTE(hong999 @ Mar 8 2023, 12:16 PM) ETF (in USA) also charge very cheap expenses, and the return is mimic S&P500. Forget about buying mutual funds as to hold because the sales charges itself is ready rip-off not to mention management and expense feesHowever, if the mutual fund requires active management, try to avoid DonKey. ETFs way better for cost and tax efficiency not to mention only expense ratio fee being on top of brokerage which is next to nothing compared to sales charges |
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QUOTE(hong999 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:20 PM) Top up info: When you are paying that you should be only accepting minimum yearly 8% increase in performance anything else is really joke 🤦♀️ which I why I rather buy ETF for this purposes as it more cost efficient and better performance 5) Yes, u r right. NAV tak boleh pakai. When NAV is useless, ur only return is income distribution. 6) stock picking for a fund really depends on the fund manager experience, capability to foresee the global trend and other factors. The comparison to any other fund is unfair as they hold different portfolio, except for Bursa KL index (which is the benchmark most fund house used). It is understandable 2020 to 2022 that the market is heading downtrend, so no complain on this period. However, 2016 - 2019 is my pain. 7) I use my own money, pick my favorite counters in Bursa. 5.5% + other hidden fee investor paid, is for better return, not FD type of return. Otherwise, why should we invest in higher risk equity fund. High risk + high fee = low return is a joke |
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Mar 15 2023, 01:53 PM) Brokerage charge is nothing when you pay 2% one off let’s says while holding for 10 years while UT you are paying management fee annually 1.5% let say and added expense ratio for fund fees at least to 1.5% yearly Don’t mention trustee fee which is low like 0.1% UT will cost you 10 years holdings while losing 30% fee just in fees if added SC charges you have just 1/3 of your fund while just paying off the fees which is why after 10 years many still losing money holding on UT 🤦♀️ |
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Mar 15 2023, 05:52 PM) QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 15 2023, 05:33 PM) Brokerage charge is nothing when you pay 2% one off let’s says while holding for 10 years while UT you are paying management fee annually 1.5% let say and added expense ratio for fund fees at least to 1.5% yearly Don’t mention trustee fee which is low like 0.1% UT will cost you 10 years holdings while losing 30% fee just in fees if added SC charges you have just 1/3 of your fund while just paying off the fees which is why after 10 years many still losing money holding on UT 🤦♀️ You are paying the fees down the drain no matter what throwing away your money because ETF just remove them those expenses and risk while you are carrying the risks of it through the fund manager 🤦♀️ This post has been edited by xander2k8: Mar 15 2023, 05:57 PM |
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Apr 21 2023, 02:38 PM) Completely untrue, LPI Capital owns Lonpac in Malaysia and 45% of a general insurance company in Cambodia. It is is no way the parent company of Public Bank. Market cap RM4.5b vs RM75b Doesn’t matter in shareholdings because all insured sum and sukuk issuance are through LPI 🤦♀️If LPI collapse there is no way for PBB to raise money and issue sukuk other than to borrow from BNM Hence LPI is more than important to PBB than PBB to LPI 🤦♀️ |
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Apr 24 2023, 03:02 PM) Public mutual seem performing bad. When EPF gives you option to buy UT it is unlikely to perform well in 10 years at least hence do you think why EPF gives that option 🤦♀️Even EPF based investment did many years ago, giving return much lower than EPF itself. Are there any other mutual fund bank/companies doing better than PM? Can anyone recommend? Don’t buy into whether bank or companies but buy into actual ETF instead rather than still throwing money into UT because you in the losing paying management fees and fund fees |
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Nov 30 2023, 04:05 PM) what fund can be switched to? What can agent they do 🤦♀️ when do not have the power to do asset allocation and investment decisionscurrent is 087882834 PUBLIC ISLAMIC ASIA TACTICAL ALLOCATION (under epf scheme) making lost every year sry bad managing this, shame on agent too didnt follow up.. The problem lies in the CIO and the fund portfolio managers who are managing loss making funds with bad investment decisions |
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QUOTE(zebras @ Dec 4 2023, 12:26 PM) Agent can pick the right UT that beat benchmark and invest in the right market like Japan, India, or fixed income Agent won’t be bother about that 🤦♀️ because their goal is hit their sales target, commissions and incentive trips 🤦♀️I can tell you 1st hand those successful UT agents never invest their money in their funds that they are selling 🤦♀️ so why should you If the CIO and portfolio managers cannot beat the benchmark and losing money year on year 🤦♀️ so why do you think agent is stupid enough to invest the funds This post has been edited by xander2k8: Dec 4 2023, 03:32 PM |
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QUOTE(zebras @ Dec 4 2023, 06:23 PM) So why don’t we invest in some UT that constantly beat their benchmark? Instead of focus on how many fund underperform benchmark 😅 is it that hard to pick UT that constantly beat benchmark out of all the available UT in the market? Is not hard 🤦♀️ but in the 1st place do you trust that UT portfolio manager able to beat the markets in the 1st place History already shows that more than 90% UT are losing money and underperforming the benchmark itself 🤦♀️ even though they set a lower and easier benchmark to beat |
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QUOTE(zebras @ Dec 4 2023, 10:05 PM) Pick those UT that has a good past record of beating benchmark for over 5 or 10 year? Not all UT used index benchmarks 🤦♀️ because they know 1stly they can’t beat the market and secondly to satisfy their owns hence they set the benchmark internally and yet still cannot beat it 🤦♀️Why not pick those benchmark against indices like sp500, nikkei index, stoxx? It is all in the UT factsheet right? Doesn’t matter in the factsheet or not 🤦♀️ or benchmark the most important whose is the actual portfolio manager and how is the person performance in managing fund and the tenure of it |
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