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post Feb 7 2023, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 12:34 PM)
I switched my US-EU-centric funds to APAC-centric funds. Anyone here think the same?
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Bad move because you’re just putting all funds into China based funds as most APAC are denominated by China

If Emperor Xi decided to clamp down and SOE controlled you will be in big trouble 🤦‍♀️
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post Feb 7 2023, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 03:34 PM)
Some funds r heavily China, some funds diversified to other countries in this region.

The reason i shifted to stay away from more trouble in EU n capitalise on potential growth in APAC
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I suggest you instead of buying more APAC diversify into commodities, SEA, India, Japan and Latam funds rather buying into China story 🤦‍♀️ as Emperor Xi can change policies to suit his narrative

In fact way too early to place your bet on China until Xi is confirmed next month as emperor for life 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 7 2023, 03:38 PM)
Singapore, Japan, etc also expected to grow. Why would u go all in ?
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That is why you have diversify and buy different funds

In fact Japan is not that great for China play as geopolitical tensions stemming from Quad Alliance 🤦‍♀️

Only play for China is always and will be in soft commodities
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post Feb 8 2023, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(nanpengyou @ Feb 8 2023, 09:47 PM)
Hi guys, I just noticed the fund that I invested many years ago the status shows suspended.

What does it mean? Am I losing all the money?
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Check with PM most likely waiting for your action to switch to another fund
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post Feb 8 2023, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(nanpengyou @ Feb 8 2023, 10:11 PM)
Can I take out or redeem the money without switch to another funds? I don't feel like invest again. Thanks
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You need to check with PM because it is their policy on it

But I am sure definitely there will be a loss for sure
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post Mar 8 2023, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 8 2023, 12:05 PM)
FSMone portfolio normally only charge 1.5% sales charges and zero sales charges for selected funds during promotions.

buy more unit when market is bad/ on the lower range of the values and wait for the market to recover later. Separate the money invested into few batches and put in money on different day/ time, I.e at least a week apart.
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Why are you talking about FSM when PUblic Mutual is closed end funds in the 1st place 🤦‍♀️ as they are not sold outside by any distributors unlike other fund houses

QUOTE(hong999 @ Mar 8 2023, 12:16 PM)
ETF (in USA) also charge very cheap expenses, and the return is mimic S&P500.

However, if the mutual fund requires active management, try to avoid DonKey.
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Forget about buying mutual funds as to hold because the sales charges itself is ready rip-off not to mention management and expense fees

ETFs way better for cost and tax efficiency not to mention only expense ratio fee being on top of brokerage which is next to nothing compared to sales charges
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post Mar 8 2023, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 8 2023, 01:06 PM)
FSM is selling the same type of products, UT.
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Yes but he is talking about PM funds not FSM funds in the 1st place 🤦‍♀️
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post Mar 8 2023, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 8 2023, 01:30 PM)
there is a better alternative in the market
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There is a better alternative than FSM 🤦‍♀️
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post Mar 8 2023, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(hong999 @ Mar 8 2023, 05:10 PM)
Yeah, but consumer needs to gain access to financial knowledge as well.

Otherwise, there will be more "beginner" investor running into the fund running by Donkey Manager.
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And most of them are referral in the banking system hence got sucked into it 🤦‍♀️
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post Mar 9 2023, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(hong999 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:20 PM)
Top up info:

5) Yes, u r right. NAV  tak boleh pakai. When NAV is useless, ur only return is income distribution.

6) stock picking for a fund really depends on the fund manager experience, capability to foresee the global trend and other factors.
The comparison to any other fund is unfair as they hold different portfolio, except for Bursa KL index (which is the benchmark most fund house used).
It is understandable 2020 to 2022 that the market is heading downtrend, so no complain on this period.
However, 2016 - 2019 is my pain.

7) I use my own money, pick my favorite counters in Bursa.

5.5% + other hidden fee investor paid, is for better return, not FD type of return. Otherwise, why should we invest in higher risk equity fund.

High risk + high fee = low return is a joke  console.gif
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When you are paying that you should be only accepting minimum yearly 8% increase in performance anything else is really joke 🤦‍♀️ which I why I rather buy ETF for this purposes as it more cost efficient and better performance

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post Mar 9 2023, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(hong999 @ Mar 9 2023, 07:08 PM)
I agreed ETF is the best option, especially S&P500.
Low fee, one of the best world index return.
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Don’t forget if you are buy and hold no need to worry about FX rate as it will appreciate against the RM for good 👏
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post Mar 15 2023, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Mar 15 2023, 01:53 PM)
But brokerage charge is not as low as 1.5%?
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Brokerage charge is nothing when you pay 2% one off let’s says while holding for 10 years while UT you are paying management fee annually 1.5% let say and added expense ratio for fund fees at least to 1.5% yearly

Don’t mention trustee fee which is low like 0.1%

UT will cost you 10 years holdings while losing 30% fee just in fees if added SC charges you have just 1/3 of your fund while just paying off the fees which is why after 10 years many still losing money holding on UT 🤦‍♀️
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post Mar 15 2023, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Mar 15 2023, 05:52 PM)
QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 15 2023, 05:33 PM)

Brokerage charge is nothing when you pay 2% one off let’s says while holding for 10 years while UT you are paying management fee annually 1.5% let say and added expense ratio for fund fees at least to 1.5% yearly

Don’t mention trustee fee which is low like 0.1%

UT will cost you 10 years holdings while losing 30% fee just in fees if added SC charges you have just 1/3 of your fund while just paying off the fees which is why after 10 years many still losing money holding on UT 🤦‍♀️
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But isn't UT supposed to outperform it's benchmark while an ETF will never outperform its index? That's why we are paying for all these fees..
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Supposingly yes but remember more than 90% fund managers underperformed while ETF still outperformed them no matter what

You are paying the fees down the drain no matter what throwing away your money because ETF just remove them those expenses and risk while you are carrying the risks of it through the fund manager 🤦‍♀️

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post Mar 15 2023, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Mar 15 2023, 06:06 PM)
Fully agree with this. Public Mutual is a scam. Better to buy Public Bank shares, or invest in ETF / blue chip stocks using DCA strategy over the long run.
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Instead of buying PB shares you should buy their parent company LPI instead which owns PB
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post Mar 15 2023, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Mar 15 2023, 06:16 PM)
Wow, I didn't realize that. I invest my funds overseas more. SG/HK/US markets.
MYR depreciation cannot stomach, hahahaha.
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LPI is the founder of PB

But it is not the time touch now because of estate issues

Yeah forget about local markets better off overseas market
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post Apr 21 2023, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Apr 21 2023, 02:38 PM)
Completely untrue, LPI Capital owns Lonpac in Malaysia and 45% of a general insurance company in Cambodia. It is is no way the parent company of Public Bank. Market cap RM4.5b vs RM75b
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Doesn’t matter in shareholdings because all insured sum and sukuk issuance are through LPI 🤦‍♀️

If LPI collapse there is no way for PBB to raise money and issue sukuk other than to borrow from BNM

Hence LPI is more than important to PBB than PBB to LPI 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 24 2023, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Apr 24 2023, 03:02 PM)
Public mutual seem performing bad.
Even EPF based investment did many years ago, giving return much lower than EPF itself.

Are there any other mutual fund bank/companies doing better than PM?
Can anyone recommend?
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When EPF gives you option to buy UT it is unlikely to perform well in 10 years at least hence do you think why EPF gives that option 🤦‍♀️

Don’t buy into whether bank or companies but buy into actual ETF instead rather than still throwing money into UT because you in the losing paying management fees and fund fees
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post Dec 2 2023, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Nov 30 2023, 04:05 PM)
what fund can be switched to?
current is 087882834 PUBLIC ISLAMIC ASIA TACTICAL ALLOCATION (under epf scheme)
making lost every year sad.gif
sry bad managing this, shame on agent too didnt follow up..
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What can agent they do 🤦‍♀️ when do not have the power to do asset allocation and investment decisions

The problem lies in the CIO and the fund portfolio managers who are managing loss making funds with bad investment decisions
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post Dec 4 2023, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Dec 4 2023, 12:26 PM)
Agent can pick the right UT that beat benchmark and invest in the right market like Japan, India, or fixed income
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Agent won’t be bother about that 🤦‍♀️ because their goal is hit their sales target, commissions and incentive trips 🤦‍♀️

I can tell you 1st hand those successful UT agents never invest their money in their funds that they are selling 🤦‍♀️ so why should you

If the CIO and portfolio managers cannot beat the benchmark and losing money year on year 🤦‍♀️ so why do you think agent is stupid enough to invest the funds

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post Dec 4 2023, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Dec 4 2023, 06:23 PM)
So why don’t we invest in some UT that constantly beat their benchmark? Instead of focus on how many fund underperform benchmark 😅 is it that hard to pick UT that constantly beat benchmark out of all the available UT in the market?
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Is not hard 🤦‍♀️ but in the 1st place do you trust that UT portfolio manager able to beat the markets in the 1st place

History already shows that more than 90% UT are losing money and underperforming the benchmark itself 🤦‍♀️ even though they set a lower and easier benchmark to beat
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post Dec 5 2023, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Dec 4 2023, 10:05 PM)
Pick those UT that has a good past record of beating benchmark for over 5 or 10 year?

Why not pick those benchmark against indices like sp500, nikkei index, stoxx?

It is all in the UT factsheet right?
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Not all UT used index benchmarks 🤦‍♀️ because they know 1stly they can’t beat the market and secondly to satisfy their owns hence they set the benchmark internally and yet still cannot beat it 🤦‍♀️

Doesn’t matter in the factsheet or not 🤦‍♀️ or benchmark the most important whose is the actual portfolio manager and how is the person performance in managing fund and the tenure of it

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