Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Public Mutual Funds, version 0.0

views
     
bigphil
post Jul 15 2020, 03:41 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
QUOTE(victorian @ Jul 2 2020, 02:06 PM)
Lol 8% is easy, some can even go up to 10-20%.

The thing is, is it guaranteed?

EPF is good is because it guarantees a minimum return of 2.5%, so it will never go below zero.
*
Epf return is never guaranted.they are not obliged to reveal where they invest their money.there is no guarantee in investment.u win some ,u lose some.just manage your risk wisely
bigphil
post Jul 15 2020, 03:45 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
QUOTE(kapitan gambit @ Jul 3 2020, 03:10 PM)
8% return is totally doable.. Some even get it higher.

With two condition ;

1. The agent must be PROACTIVE.
2. The RIGHT fund are selected.

If the agent are passive one, then it's better to just leave it in EP£ account.

Mind you, EP£ are outperforming their promise in term of dividend/return, which is they must give at least 2.5% return annually.

(Spoiler : EP£ are government Bond Fund. Bond fund can promise minimum return.)

Promising return of xx% to the client is wrong. For example, somebody said "I guarantee you 10% return p.a".

But if he/she said, "I will do my best to get up to 10% return", then technically it doesn't break the rules.
*
Yes agree.picking a right agent and right fund is important if u want to see significant return in unit trust.epf invests in equities too.they are one of the major sharesholder for few listed companies
bigphil
post Jul 15 2020, 03:49 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 12 2020, 01:27 PM)
i want to share my unit trust experience, not public bank but with CIMB which i think everyone should know and be aware
i start put into unit trust at 2015 and i waiting exactly 5 years or more to provide this review

my conclusion is unit trust is only fund manager make money (short version)

ok here comes the long version
so 5 years ago May 2015 i go meet up with an agent and open account, sign some form, do some thumb print and only invested RM10,000 from my EPF.

I buy into Fund Principal Titans Growth & Income Fund (one of the hot hot fund that time)
user posted image

Now after 5 years my hard earn RM10,000 only got a total of 13.50% profit

Then i ask myself why only 13.50% of profit since every year annual report show earn money most of the time except for 1 of the year where it is -10%
Below chart show from May when i buy in till now in July

user posted image

If 5 years ago i did not make such decision to put money into unit trust, you know how much the RM10,000 will become?
The answer is RM13457.39 which is a 34% profit instead of now 13.5% profit

user posted image

So i further investigate and dig deeper with FSM tool and the tool say i should earn around 16.5% so where the 3% go to?
user posted image

Here is the answer, last time 5 years ago invest with EPF they will charge sales fee of around 3% so 16.5% - 3% become 13.5%
Again all this is just estimate

My conclusion is we take our money to let fund manager earn more money than we do
only invest in UT if u have a good and reliable agent who can help u to manage
*
Agree bro.buy in unit trust and leave it there for 10 years.unit trust never works that way.it need close monitoring too.set a % to take profit and % to cut loss.

bigphil
post Jul 15 2020, 09:41 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 15 2020, 08:29 AM)
er.. EPF is contractually guaranteed minimum 2.5%pa returns.
thus, in what context U mean "no guarantee"? note - the post U replied to already stated the 2.5%

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/dividend#DividendRate
For all your contributions, the government guarantees a minimum paid dividend rate of 2.50% for Simpanan Konvensional.
*
Oops sorry.wat i mean is they can never guarantee a fixed return.if 2.5% i would suggest to put into money market.no charge and it is as good as putting in fd
bigphil
post Oct 5 2020, 02:06 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
user posted image

Good news for those holding these funds

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0977sec    0.40    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 9th December 2025 - 12:55 PM