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post Jun 12 2020, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(ameli7a @ Jun 11 2020, 09:38 PM)
Okay thank you guys for the info. Hehe yeah i still buy. The last i bought was back in March when the economy went downhill. I bought at a very low price. Most of the fund price right now has tremendously increased. I am planning to open a fresh fund which is still low in price and on recovery mode. So far i noticed public indonesia select fund as an example. My idea is to buy funds like this and went the price go up to redeem it.
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I was also thinking about this PISF, but unfortunately it is suspended by EPF-MIS, and cant buy through that scheme and reap the 0% sales charge advantage.
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post Jun 21 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan gambit @ Jun 15 2020, 09:12 AM)
Hi everyone!

In case there's anybody here need new UTC (Public Mutual) or want to invest but dunno how, feel free to contact me.

Especially those who want to invest via EP£ acc 1, service charge are heavily discounted until April 2021.

Starting this May 2020, investment via EP£ acc 1 will only charged 1.5%, compared to 3% previously.

The only thing I can promise to my client is, you will never regret to have me as your servicing UTC.

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Dude it is 0% through epf i-invest portal. Previously 0.5% since august last year

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post Jul 4 2020, 04:30 PM

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Anyone who like to invest using epf fund please take a look at epf i-invest portal, it is easy enough to research yourself to find the performance of each fund. You can research by cumulative performance or annually up to 10 years ago and even by calendar year. Remember also there is sales charge if you use agent to invest. Promotion for all investment through epf i-invest now is 0% however be mindful of switching cost especially for public mutual fund.
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post Jul 10 2020, 10:28 AM

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My epf-mis investment which I allocated 60% to public mutual fund underperfomed compared to the other 40% of the fund invested in FSM through kenanga, principal and rhb. Although not really a one to one comparison because of different market.

0.5 sales charge prior to june and the loss of 0.5% through switching is also another reason, made multiple switch for the australia equity fund which finally eats up my profit.

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post Jul 11 2020, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 10 2020, 09:17 PM)
then do full redemption - willit be cheaper than switching?
then again use EPF to reinvest on the fund u wanted
does it work that way?
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Not that easy, the fund allowed to invest only reset or refresh every 3 month, if you intend to switch around 10 days before the refresh, that would be a good idea as the fund will be available again in next cycle. In other words , redeeming doesnt reset back the limit that is allowed for investment, it is time based instead. After redemption, that fund can no longer be invested until the next cycle.

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post Jul 11 2020, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 11 2020, 12:55 PM)
i am very sure if u decide to swtich it will swtich for 3 months or more
anyway i am still very new so dare not comment much
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Wow, where do you hear that switching takes 3 months? For public mutual fund if u switch before 3 p.m, then it will be switched the same day, but it will be pending at least for T+2 or T+3 but the price is based on T+0. I have done it so many times by the way and yes some of them i even switch after 1 week. Already using the EPF-MIS portal since march and currently on the 2nd cycle.

As for funds in FSM, i have switched for kenanga and principal fund and the switching charge is 0% not like public mutual which deduct 0.5%

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post Jul 12 2020, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 12 2020, 01:27 PM)
i want to share my unit trust experience, not public bank but with CIMB which i think everyone should know and be aware
i start put into unit trust at 2015 and i waiting exactly 5 years or more to provide this review

my conclusion is unit trust is only fund manager make money (short version)

ok here comes the long version
so 5 years ago May 2015 i go meet up with an agent and open account, sign some form, do some thumb print and only invested RM10,000 from my EPF.

I buy into Fund Principal Titans Growth & Income Fund (one of the hot hot fund that time)
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Now after 5 years my hard earn RM10,000 only got a total of 13.50% profit

Then i ask myself why only 13.50% of profit since every year annual report show earn money most of the time except for 1 of the year where it is -10%
Below chart show from May when i buy in till now in July

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If 5 years ago i did not make such decision to put money into unit trust, you know how much the RM10,000 will become?
The answer is RM13457.39 which is a 34% profit instead of now 13.5% profit

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So i further investigate and dig deeper with FSM tool and the tool say i should earn around 16.5% so where the 3% go to?
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Here is the answer, last time 5 years ago invest with EPF they will charge sales fee of around 3% so 16.5% - 3% become 13.5%
Again all this is just estimate

My conclusion is we take our money to let fund manager earn more money than we do
only invest in UT if u have a good and reliable agent who can help u to manage
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Well, if u know how to self invest through FSM or even havr experience investing in the stock market, why would u even need an agent to begin with? I never use any agent while investing through epf-mis scheme and i have double(paper gain) my 2019 epf dividend thus far since the crash in march all the while controling my exposure and risk by limiting the amount invested and switching funds from equity to bond and back.

Some might need agent but only for those who have no idea in investing as you know a lot of agent are just salesman. As for me i have been investing in stock market since 2008 and unit trust starting from this year, the only reason for me investing in unit trust is that the one allowed for epf-mis and because of the 0 to 0.5% fee prior to june 2020. Now it is even better at 0%, just for the record fsm sales charge is already at 0% prior to that

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 12 2020, 01:51 PM)
I thought fsm is 0.5% cash scheme?
I know epf is zero
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Yes i am referring to epf-mis, it is 0% at FSM and now even public mutual sales charge is at 0% , but you need to know it is only temporary for public mutual. Switching is 0% at FSM and still 0.5% at public mutual.

Btw, i have been tinkering with the system to figure out how it works for epf-mis, which is what I have written in the previous post about the investment cycle and the fund limit. Redeeming does not allow you to invest back the amount until the next cycle and even then not all of them will be immediately available if we understand the math behind the fund allowed to invest for each cycle.

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post Jul 25 2020, 08:23 AM

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Started with almost 60% allocation in public mutual fund but now has become less than 50%. My other investment in FSM perform so much better. But still have to mention i did make a decent amount in PGSF. Btw the profit in epf app does not show net profit but only unrealized profit, if you redeem or switch to another fund then it will not be considered as it is already "realized".

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post Jul 25 2020, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 25 2020, 12:40 PM)
when you can withdraw that time gonna be really nice
100k and over nice
you take everything out from EPF to put into investment?
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What do you mean by taking everything out? I still have around 20 years to retirement age

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/member/investment#eligibility

Only 30% of the amount above minimum saving for your current age in account 1 can be invested (every 3 months).
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post Jul 26 2020, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 25 2020, 04:38 PM)
Thanks for sharing your experince in investing into unit trusts using the EPF app and purchasing of funds using EPF i-invest. Very much appreciated. Please continue posting and sharing your personal investments into ut funds.

When EPF launched its i-invest in August 2019, I have anticipated that it will compete with other agents and will pull business away to i-invest. Since it is within EPF and linked to its internal system, it will immediately show the available amount without needing any manual calculation on the excess money above the basic savings table in EPF Account 1.

Every eligible funds from all fund houses approved by EPF can be bought there, and at the same low sales charge of up to 0.5%.

Due to the covid-19 pandemic and to boost the economy, the sales charge is reduced to 0% effective from 1.05.2020 to 30.04.2021.

Older investors like me don't have this option when we were younger.
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Yes, the epf i-invest portal definitely came just in time for me to dwell into unit trust using epf-mis, i could not bear paying UT agent and the dificulty and the paperwork involved before this.

I have given the thought to invest back in 2012 but the initial sales charge really put me off and not to mention the paperwork, now it is too easy for me to buy and switch myself with zero charge or very low cost for switching.


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post Jul 26 2020, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 25 2020, 02:45 PM)
Good good grow your retirement fund
Else later don't have enough as now eve with RM1.0M retirement fund also not enough
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Yes, my intention exactly, but seriously i dont believe in long term investment in unit trust. I only put in money when i see an opportunity and get out when i have enough.

Only started in epf-mis through epf i-invest portal back in mid march 2020, i did not invest lump sum, could have made more if invested in lump sum instead of DCA but you knos what they say, hindsight is always 20/20.

Just for clarity, i have been in the stock market since 2008, so investing is not new to me but investing in unit trust is something new to me though. What i am trying to say is that some people might still need advise from a good agent instead of a salesman

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jul 26 2020, 01:09 PM)
To register my phone number in order to create PMO account, I still need to go to Public Mutual branch?

Can do by calling customer service or from the website?
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You can create it automatically if investing using epf i-invest, their system is connected.
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post Oct 30 2020, 05:08 PM

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Put more fund today to pgsf via epf i-invest.
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post Nov 6 2020, 11:18 AM

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Good gain from PGSF after just one week coming back in. Majority investment in US and sizeable allocatiom in S&P 500 based etf and Nasdaq, QQQ
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QUOTE(boldsouljah @ Jan 10 2021, 07:22 PM)
Hey guys, just a quick to PM sifus here.
I have been investing my EPF $$ for about 5-7years now (some funds are 7 years old, some are 5). The agent is very much helpful and we did some switching last year due to low performing fund called Public Index Fund.

Below is my return.

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So basically I invested RM 150,231 and got back RM23,842 profit.

My question is, would it have been better if I just left it in EPF?

How can I calculate how much I would have gotten if I left it in EPF?
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I dont know the details on how u invest, but i am assuming you invest by lump sum 5 years ago. Even with that your return is around 3% per annum, if we take 7 years definitely it would be worse.

Btw, the last time epf give lower than 3% return is back in 1959. It never dip below 4% since 1960. Definitely much better if you left in EPF.

I believe it was the sales charge which is in part responsible of the poor return. Just fyi, starting from august 2018, there is epf i-invest which cut the sales charge to 0.5% for public mutual and 0% for many other fund house. ( Current promo is 0% for all until april 2021)

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I started to invest last year, not in one lump sum and just ignore the unrealised profit since i am frequently switching between fund or to bond fund and realising the profit. Actual profit is actually much higher.

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QUOTE(boldsouljah @ Jan 10 2021, 08:47 PM)
Thank you for the calculation.
May I know how you did the calculation.

It's not like 1 day 7 years ago I deposited RN150k into PB. It was a gradual deposit according to how much EPF allows us. I remember when I started I was only depositing around 2 to 3k every 3 months.

As time goes as my salary increases I deposit around 8k every 3 months (epf only allows certain amount of % to be moved to Unit trust every 3 months)
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Easy to calculate using excel, since you are the only one who knows the details of your deposit, amount and interval.
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KOSPI down by almost 9% from peak in just 5 days. Going in for a short trade in addition to my medium term position in fund with heavy exposure to Korea.
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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jan 29 2021, 02:26 PM)
China???
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Definitely, that as well Did you make your move yet.
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 29 2021, 03:32 PM)
But when taken into account the sharp gains in the first two weeks of Jan., it is still positive for the month.

So, it depends on the individual's portfolio too.

And even taking into account the markets movement yesterday, which is yet reflected into the nav/unit prices (due to yesterday's holiday), my port would still be positive for the month.

Overall, HSI, HSCI (hang seng china enterprises), KOSPI, Taiwan index, and Shanghai index are still positive for the month.

If to add more equities into the port, maybe just a bit, 1%... maybe next week before most China funds close for CNY holidays.

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Vietnam stock index: up 4%.  :thumbsup:
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Sure thing, same with my portfolio. KOSPI drop almost 5% from last update of NAV on 27th.

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