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post Jun 12 2016, 08:03 PM

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Aren't Public Mutual holders allowed to do "free switching" or pay a nominal amount to switch? I am curious how many % of unit holders actually actively switch in and out of funds? I think all these are hidden costs ultimately borne by those passive investors doing long term investing because there are transaction costs involved everytime someone switch from equity funds to bond funds for example. It is definitely not free. These transaction costs ultimately reduces a funds NAV.
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post Jun 12 2016, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jun 12 2016, 08:25 PM)
You get some free switches if you have gold status (meaning total investment over RM120k) or gold elite (over RM500k). Otherwise each switching fee is RM25.

Yes, all investors will have to bear the operation costs due to the action of some investors. The actual costs incurred by the company will depend on the total switches on that day - some swithching in and out would contra each other; if the total sum is not too significant, the fund manager might not have to do anything as usually about 10% of the fund is in cash and money-market securities to cater to these transactions.

There is also the lock-in period of 90 days to deter investors from doing 'timing' and switching too frequently; there is a penalty of 0.75% of the total switched amount from exiting equity funds, and 0.25% from bond funds.

The size of the fund and the number of units sold and bought is in the year-end financial report. Size of the fund do matter whether any transactions by any individual investors would affect the fund.
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The 90 days - do you mean can only do 1 switching every 90 days? And, the 0.75% is a penalty only if you switch from equity to non-equity? What about switching between equity funds? Any penalty?
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post Mar 7 2018, 10:21 AM

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I think there could be SERIOUS MISREPRESENTATION of performance by Public Mutual about their fund performances. Take for example the performance of Public Equity Fund using this Link

Since commencement, TOTAL RETURNS for the fund from 4th Sep 2001 to 5th Mar 2018 is 357.97%. As comparison, KLCI TOTAL RETURNS for the same period is 167.93%.

Anybody can take a guess where the POSSIBLE SERIOUS MISREPRESENTATION is?
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post Mar 7 2018, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 7 2018, 02:07 PM)
It looks normal to me... the total returns when annualised is 9.65%.
The total returns of 357.97% is the compounded growth over 16.5 years.

KLCI is just a benchmark and the fund don't hold every components of the index and is not expected to hold stocks in same weightage as the component stocks in the index. The KLCI index components are the 30 largest corporations in the bursa, and the fund could also be having stocks outside the index.

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The total returns do not includes the upfront sales/service charge. If it is included, the total returns would be 332.78% and annualised to 9.28%.

The initial sales charge of 5.5% is amplified to a difference of 357.97% - 332.78% = 25.19% over 16.5 years. But when annualised the difference don't look significant, 9.65% vs. 9.28%.
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Yes, everything correct except that the KLCI index is not a total returns index. To approximate the total returns KLCI index, we have to impute a dividend yield into the calculation. Once you do that, you will find that the outperformance is not that great, which is to be expected because after all, globally, not many funds outperform their benchmarks over long periods of time. So, don't you think Public Mutual should do away with comparing with the KLCI index. If they really want to, they should use a similar index but with dividends taken into account. I think FTSE might have that. Otherwise, stop using KLCI as benchmark. If you notice in FSM website, there is only the fund performances of respective funds without the KLCI as benchmark because that is misleading.

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post Mar 7 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 7 2018, 02:42 PM)
From the performance chart that you had linked... "FBM KLCI : Total Returns from 04-Sep-01 To 05-Mar-18=167.93%."

Please find another chart to show they are using the wrong chart for comparision.
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What do you mean? The chart for FBM KLCI returns 167.93% for the period but this is not total returns. They wrongly state Total Returns KLCI. KLCI is not a total returns index. KLCI only captured capital gains portion.
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post Mar 8 2018, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 8 2018, 12:16 PM)
From Investopedia, “Total return, when measuring performance, is the actual rate of return of an investment or a pool of investments over a given evaluation period. Total return includes interest, capital gains, dividends and distributions realized over a given period of time.”

To dispute the chart (that was used in the comparison) and prove that it is wrong and misleading, either find a correct chart to show that the former chart is wrong, or since a chart is plotted based on a set of data, show that the data is wrong.

Or we can also dispute the given statement, and show that the total return is something else and not as stated.

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Anyway....

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FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI index is a price index. This is the commonly quoted index. FTSE does calculate a KLCI Total Return index, differentiated by the word "Total Return" in the index but this is not in common usage and only available if you purchase the data series from them. If you look at Public Mutual KLCI chart, the shape of the chart shows that it is the commonly used KLCI price index. Thus, they should not use "total returns" to describe the KLCI returns in the footnote legends. The actual KLCI total returns index will show a higher return but you have to get it from FTSE.

To confirm that Public Mutual is using the commonly used price version, simply calculate the returns on any KLCI chart (from Yahoo Finance for example) for the period given and you will find that they give the same return value as stated in Public Mutual website.
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post Mar 14 2020, 09:43 PM

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[quote=j.passing.by,Mar 13 2020, 03:49 PM]
EPF as part of retirement portfolio.

- Dividend is paid till age 100.
- Full withdrawal can be done any time after age 55.
- Contributions made after age 55 can be withdrawn at age 60.
- No limits on withdrawal in a month/year, on both the amount and frequency
- Nomination(s) can be easily and conveniently changed upon your request.
- Withdrawal transaction is quick and easy, transferred into your bank account within 3/4 working days.
- You can place a standing instruction to withdraw the yearly dividend automatically every year.


Above is what I posted and shared in a post on Feb. 26 last year.

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My journey so far…

I started the journey blind with very little knowledge on unit trust funds. In other words, I got suckered into Public Mutual. LOL biggrin.gif

Made all the mistakes one could possibly make. At one time, the portfolio was at negative 60%. This woke me up.

My main goal was building a portfolio of unit trusts to compliment the retirement fund in EPF. Thus have to persevere and put extra efforts to achieve the goal.

So, to turn around the portfolio, I have tried this and that, push it around from one asset class to another, switch here, switch there, sometimes lucky, sometimes not.

Over the years, I have rollover (total switching in/out) RM2 million and more!

Passed a significant milestone in 2016, lost it in 2018, and regained it last year. Maybe I was becoming wiser over the years, or becoming less greedy for more, the portfolio was slowly switched to nearly 100% bond funds by the end of December, 2019.

At the moment, equity is 3% of the portfolio.

So, had I foreseen this massive market sell-off happening now?

No, lah. The asset allocation was accordingly to my internal financial plan and nothing to do with external market noise. The journey is at the last stage, and the re-balancing was done as planned.

Cheers.

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Rebalancing the asset allocation… this was posted and shared on Oct. 12, 2018, "What is the proper Asset Allocation for a Unit Trust Investor?"
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For EPF... say one has 100k at age 55 but never withdraw.. then at age 56, put in another 50k... but the next month suddenly wants to withdraw all 150k.. can?


 

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