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wil-i-am
post Jul 21 2016, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 21 2016, 04:22 PM)
Missed your post... hence the late reply.

The figures were taken at night... and only local funds were updated, while the foreign funds were updated the next day.

PBond for that day is 0.11%.

YTD PBond is among the bottom 5.

YTD - Bottom 5:
PB Bond Fund
Public Strategic Bond Fund
Public Select Bond Fund
PB Fixed Income Fund
Public Bond Fund

YTD - Top 5:
PB Aiman Sukuk Fund
Public Islamic Infrastructure Bond Fund
Public Islamic Bond Fund
Public Sukuk Fund
PB Sukuk Fund
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Have been holding since 2011
Is it the right time to sell now since returns is so-so?
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:26 AM

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Public Mutual launches two funds, provide foreign market exposure
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...arket-exposure/
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post Jul 29 2016, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(CharmaineLee80 @ Jul 29 2016, 01:40 PM)
worth to buy or not ?
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How to comment when there is no track record yet?
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post Jul 29 2016, 09:53 PM

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Public Mututal declares RM219m distributions for 8 funds
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ns-for-8-funds/
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post Aug 18 2016, 02:40 PM

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Public Mutual's new fund, PB Asean Dividend Sequel Fund is open for subscription today @ 0.25 from 18/8 to 7/9/2016
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post Aug 29 2016, 01:26 PM

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Hearsay they will re-open PIOF for subscriptions for limited time
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post Aug 29 2016, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 29 2016, 02:29 PM)
The 1-yr performance chart for PIOF is pretty poor; dropped about 10% off its peak & underperformed its benchmark badly (benchmark +11.2%, PIOF +3.9%)

I think many have been selling/switching out of the fund - since those investors in the accumulation stage can't do DCA on it as it was closed; and those in the matured passive-income stage can't rely on it for either growth or income.

(No income distribution was announced on its financial year-end on 31/July.)
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Their 5 & 10 years return is very competitive
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post Aug 29 2016, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 29 2016, 03:16 PM)
10-yr total returns annualised to 12.4%, 5-yr 11.74%, and 3-yr 7.29%.

The problem is that the impressive growth is only for those who had started buying it years ago. Those who started buying it 2 years ago see it shoot up 18% last year, dropped off its peak by 10%, and YTD growth of -8.4%.

I have this fund, switched in in 2014 before it closed, IRR peaked at 15%, current IRR less than 4%. Was very tempted to switch some units out to bond funds, but having this dilemma of not able to switch back in after switching out for short term gains.

Oh well, will get more units if it is open...
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Perhaps u can consider DCA from 1/9 onwards
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post Aug 29 2016, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(innsean @ Aug 29 2016, 03:47 PM)
Public Mutual funds are a no no for me, the high sales charge goes up to 5%.. investors who enter are already at an initial loss
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Their sales charge is 5.5%
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post Aug 30 2016, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 30 2016, 10:59 AM)
Time for me to kacau this thread again  brows.gif

Actually, if the funds can outperform its peers in other asset management companies over long term, even if they charge more than 5.5% sales charge it'll be worth while. 5.5% sales charge annualised also less than 1% per year over 5 years

Question is, how does PM funds returns compare to its peers?
According to my trusted morningstar fund selector, Public mutual does not even made the first page of the 5 year annualised returns
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Even 10 year annualised return also only 2 PM funds that made the list, small cap and islamic opportunities. For an asset management company that manages more than 50% of the AUM in the unit trust industry in Malaysia.... I'm more than disappointed

Honestly the argument is becoming stale, and PM is becoming irrelevant to the industry if they don't do anything about it. The only thing I can do as a consumer is to put my money elsewhere, and tell everyone I know to do the same
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I'm keen to know whether PM will change as the UT landscape is changing rapidly with new players namely Fintech making headlines
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post Aug 30 2016, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 30 2016, 11:49 AM)
So far they seem uninterested to change, at the end of the day, they have a sales force of 30,000. Even if only 1/3 is active, that's 10,000 agent who depend on the job to cari makan... if PM starts to offer lower SC or tier charges on different platform, these agents would probably mogok

That's what I observed that's stopping the life insurance industry to evolve

Still waiting for the robo advisors to come in and give FSM some competition  tongue.gif
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I presume changes will take place once the #1, Tan Sri Teh is no longer around
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post Sep 1 2016, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(LDP @ Sep 1 2016, 11:24 AM)
but still i keep on hearing from agent, u can make 40% profit easily lar, and blar blar,

dividend is great lar...

and then they point to you the straight line chart, naik naik naik,

and then u can guna epf hentam, no need cash upfront and blar blar...

bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
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As usual, Agents will use sweet marketing talk to convince prospective buyers
Having said tat, they r minority Agents who practice professional n ethical behaviour
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post Sep 8 2016, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(KonKam @ Sep 7 2016, 04:56 PM)
hi all,
how can i switch back the fund back to EPF?
can i do online?
thanks
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Y dun u obtain assistance from your Agent as tis is his/her job scope
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post Sep 9 2016, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Sep 9 2016, 09:26 AM)
I have several portfolio.  Last year all increase in IRR but early this year I saw a drop in a couple of them. Need to check with my agent again on the latest report. Over the years I do make profit though amount is not as high as I would like it to be. I am just wondering if I should risk maintaining it or selling it off and just relying n EPF dividend rate.
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In fact, some UT(s) r performing better than EPF
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post Sep 9 2016, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Sep 9 2016, 05:28 PM)
What is your opinion on this scenario...Total NAV - RM124K (combo of 8 portfolio ranging from 6%-60% return over a course of 8 years). Total Return to date is RM40k, down from RM46k in Dec. 

Is this consider reasonably ok or should I consider putting a plug on PM and let the $ stay in EPF, considering that there was no new top up since 2014? Please advise.  My agent as usual tells me unit trust is for the long term.
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Did u (i) calculate the IRR for each Fund plus (ii) compare the performance with its peers?
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post Sep 27 2016, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(KonKam @ Sep 27 2016, 08:28 AM)
like that better put in EPF lo.
imagine those interest for 7 to 8 years from EPF dividend
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Dun forget compounding effect
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post Oct 11 2016, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 11 2016, 12:11 PM)
Public small cap is the highest return fund that PM has, and yet if you compare its 5 years returns with its peers, pale in comparison

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Orange: PM small cap
Blue: Eastspring investment small cap fund
Red: RHB small cap opportunity
Green: CIMB small cap

And people wonder why I'm a PM basher  puke.gif
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I have investment with Psmallcap since Q2/2011 (1 off investment)
So far, the total returns was ard 95% -v- benchmark @ 46%
I wud assign 9 out of 10 in term of performance

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post Oct 11 2016, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 11 2016, 05:51 PM)
Boss, if you look at that Bloomberg screenshot, you would have made 198% if you invested in EI SC instead for the same 5 years... so I guess it's all relative  cool2.gif
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I agreed but at tat moment of time (i.e. reset time to Q2/2011), I dunno wat will happen in 5 yrs time
Anyway, I'm happy as I blif in destiny smile.gif
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post Nov 5 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 5 2016, 07:54 AM)
TQ for the update... I got Public Smallcap..  biggrin.gif
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I presume u know distribution via PM won't affect your overall value in MYR pre n post event
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post Dec 2 2016, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 2 2016, 05:48 AM)
TQ... need to update my excel file again!  thumbsup.gif
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I tot u need to update additional units instead of Dividend %? hmm.gif

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