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post Jan 3 2017, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 3 2017, 01:07 AM)
I agree that agents exist to serve a market that need their service. But at the same time, I feel that most agents in Msia is below par. Particularly for PM, all they seem to do is to get a list of fund of the month (EQ or balanced funds only) from their upline to promote to their clients. Or when the market is heading south, advise to switch to bond or MMF as temporary measure. What about assessing client's risk appetite, even when market is going up, is 100% EQ funds suitable for most retail investors? What about asset allocation strategy?

Investors with PM are not stupid, a lot of them made good returns in the earlier years. The question is, do they pay attention to the latest developments and choices out there in the market or just trust their agent whole heartedly?

What I attempt to do here is, provide an avenue for people who are clearly not happy with their returns to see for themselves how does public mutual funds fare compared to other competing funds. If they bother to google i supposed
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Simple biz thought - all else being equal (ie. gross profits), the winners are the ones with lower costs.

Unfortunately some prefer to "seek alpha" by paying that EXTRA cost for the "brand name" & hoping for alpha.
Is good, is good - else less competition in the fund managers' arena laugh.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 19 2017, 05:58 AM)
If the fund you bought from agent is available in FSM, then the process will be much easier brows.gif
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er.. not necessarily

I tried moving my EastSpringInvesments SmallCaps to FSM from a Prudential agent (bought >10 years back):
1. FSM asked me to contract ESI
2. ESI asked me to get agent to sign-off on the transfer - ie. she will lose her "assets under management" commissions from my portion if moved
3. Guess what happens next? tongue.gif

dang..
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post Jan 19 2017, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 19 2017, 08:13 AM)
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Means her commission paid in the past will be revoked?
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er.. more like:
future/incoming commissions from my moved portion, she won't get

from my experience with another fund house, the commissions for "assets under management" is paid to the agent @ pro-rata monthly, based on $xxxxxxxx of assets * x.xx%pa
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post Jan 19 2017, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 19 2017, 09:30 AM)
Err, move units sure no more career benefit lor. I thought she came and make kesian face and plead so you won't transfer out etc
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bwhahaa - she literally "boh care" when i called her
coz she knows ESI policy of kow-towing to agents & not customers when it comes to such puke.gif
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post Jan 26 2017, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 26 2017, 07:49 PM)
Unit trust is not stock

The distribution are irrelevant because when distribution declared, the NAV drop

If you opt for cash, your capital will shrink

If you opt for reinvestment, it will just reinvest back into your capital and your fund value didn't change

You should focus on the fund performance instead of distribution,
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post Mar 10 2017, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(effectz @ Mar 10 2017, 03:01 PM)
Just sent initial request email. Hope for positive response from fsm.
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i just did my EPF investments, redeem from PubMut and buy from FSM, heheh
more paper work coz EPF requirements for buying using EPF A/C1 but similar flow with FSM to get the 0% SC "moving"
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post Mar 10 2017, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 10 2017, 04:25 PM)
OMG! because of you Pub-Mut NAV dropped like h3ll  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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heheh - we wish
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post Apr 4 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 3 2017, 10:22 PM)
Free unlimited switching? Used to be MYR 25.00 per switch... or MYR 75.00 if less than 90days.

They relax their rule already ar?

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post Aug 22 2017, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(effectz @ Aug 22 2017, 09:22 PM)
yes. ask your new agent to write change of servicing agent letter so that you can view all your investment.
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yes BUT existing agent need to signoff (in effect cutting off $) before PM allows
last like that lar, now no need?

else he can just get a new agent for new $ investment
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better yet if he is DIY inclined + want to save a bunch of % cost + want WIDER and better funds... www.fundsupermart.com.my brows.gif

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post Oct 17 2017, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 17 2017, 01:10 AM)

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bwhahaah - thanks Mum. Good Qs to filter BS from flower-sellers tongue.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 17 2017, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 17 2017, 10:22 AM)
Yeah yeah, well done! I can retire liao as the PM basher  rclxms.gif
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nah, i dont think we are PM bashers.
heck, i am holding some PM's funds via EPF
just can't stand the BS & CS these half-past-six fellows trying to con us with "distribution" is good lar, "U get what U pay for" lar, etc.

there are good agents in PM, Pru (Roy!!) and even CIMB Principal but.. looking at most of the fellows fishing here.. bangwall.gif
add value lar - not marketing puffery and false info (distribution gawd..). even if FSM, AffinHwang, etc fellows fishing like this, sure kena bushwhacked by Qs leading up to their exposure wan laugh.gif

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post Jan 11 2018, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 11 2018, 01:45 PM)
Wah, how can CS do that to our lowyat no.1 PM fans?

I hate to repeat this, but what is the compelling reason that you are still a loyal customer to them? I know you also buy from FSM and all, is PM attractive in its own way? Sincerely want to know
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When a Company makes it hard for agents (they removed data & features from the PAID-by-agent apps way earlier)
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customers (now on the website),
to collect data for self-tracking & analysis.. the writing's on the wall liao.

Data / info being PURPOSEFULLY MADE hard to get, copy/paste/track... transparency hah!

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post Jan 20 2018, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Zen-X @ Jan 19 2018, 07:03 PM)
she said minimum 10%, last year was 14 something. need to get back to her and ask more.
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er.. maybe better question to her is:
1. Who is the one guaranteeing >=10% net returns pa?
Ah beng, ah chi or ah ngau? Or the financial institution itself?

2. Every year?
or...? one year 30%, next year -40%?

3. Can view any existing contract for the guarantee?
To ensure it is contractual and not just U say/i say smile.gif
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post Aug 2 2018, 12:26 PM

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post Aug 2 2018, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(cyanlim @ Aug 2 2018, 10:15 AM)
Public mutual is not meant for short term investment, i yielded great profits in last year with investment in PRSEC and PFES about 8% to 8.5% ROI, but didn't sell out at that time , because i was just started to invest for 1 year.

Then this year because of the US-China Trade War now that both my funds are showing -ve in return meaning making a loss, but i will still continue invest because China's market won't be forever down and it will rise again is just the matter of time.

I would suggest to invest using EPF instead of cash, because of the sales charge % is different 3% EPF, and 5.5% for cash, therefore the breakeven point is lower if you invest using EPF. Unless you really have loads of cash till you don't know where else to invest.

My investment conditions:
1. Have sufficient cash flow in EPF or Cash.
2. Plan to invest long term 5 to 10 yrs or above.
3. Invest when price down, sell out when price high.
4. Try look into new fund which selling at lower NAV price per unit.
5. Overseas fund high risk but high return. 
6. Local fund can invest but need to wait and be patient.
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er.. generally good criteria but.. items
4. U do what NAV is right? there is no real value of "Try look into new fund which selling at lower NAV price per unit."
U do know when distribution is paid out, NAV goes down near similar value too right? Does that mean good time to buy?

5. Overseas fund - not necessarily higher risk, NOR higher returns.. it depends (on a lot of variables)

6. Similar with 5. , not necessarily.. it depends (on a lot of variables)

Just clarifying / asking Qs to help clarify one's thoughts ya - calling it as it is, not purposely "out to get U" like a recent (misunderstood) interaction with another forumer. laugh.gif

QUOTE(serene0 @ Aug 2 2018, 12:10 PM)
Anyone can time the market come pm me pls hehehehe I think with UT one must be very clear this isn't like stocks, it's an investment tool not a trading tool (buy today sell tomorrow) but of course from it'll be affected by the stock market because it doesn't exist in isolation..

Above is good observation..I agree. yes ideally u wanna buy when low and sell when high but how to know low is lowest and high is highest ? same lor like stock.. can only apply DCA and have a long term horizon because again this one investment..
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i can time the market... one way only heheh
AFTER kaka hits the fan severely - load it up with equities across a wide berth smile.gif

Also, DCA is ok but with a bit more work (or use Excel & automate the calculations), VCA is statistically better. Google "Value Cost Averaging VS Dollar Cost Averaging"

Just sharing ya, no absolute right/wrong in personal finance - it is PERSONAL after all

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post Sep 20 2018, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(eligible @ Sep 20 2018, 02:38 PM)
All the while I thought it's EPF. Since the money went into EPF account.
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er.. how does PRS money "went into EPF account."?
U saw some document stating that?
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QUOTE(boldsouljah @ Oct 7 2019, 08:59 AM)
That's what my agent told me. He said should keep pumping money in PM or else the negative will be more.
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so.. the CONsultan said to dig the hole deeper, thus it would not be bigger?
cool logic bangwall.gif

momma told me to stop digging if i wanted to get out of a hole..
and climb out to look around for better pursuits - and maybe, cover the dang hole if nothing better to do. laugh.gif

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post Jul 15 2020, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(bigphil @ Jul 15 2020, 03:41 AM)
Epf return is never guaranted.they are not obliged to reveal where they invest their money.there is no guarantee in investment.u win some ,u lose some.just manage your risk wisely
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er.. EPF is contractually guaranteed minimum 2.5%pa returns.
thus, in what context U mean "no guarantee"? note - the post U replied to already stated the 2.5%

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/dividend#DividendRate
For all your contributions, the government guarantees a minimum paid dividend rate of 2.50% for Simpanan Konvensional.


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post Jul 15 2020, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Jul 15 2020, 10:08 AM)
I means he’s seriously comparing the minimum guaranteed rate of EPF vs putting it in FD.

Really...
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Dunning-Kruger effect kua.
moving on...
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post Jul 15 2020, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(juvaan @ Jul 15 2020, 02:06 PM)
to be frank, i know UT has been under-performing the market and even losses. In the bad market conditions last year the only funds going up are gold investment funds (up to 100% 6 months in some funds, cant remember which). So in bad times, i thought i will switch to gold linked funds or bond/fixed income funds (hedge), and switch back to equity once market recovering.

Is that a fair strategy?
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Yes, good strategy - if U have a working crystal ball smile.gif

Think - "in bad times" means U already in it, thus, fear in market, gold up, stocks & stock-based UTs down..
and U switch to gold?
ie buy high, sell low?

and switch back once market recovering
ie. when gold goes down, stocks and stock-based UTs are back up,
U sell gold-based stuff low & buy into higher stock-based stuff?
ie. buy high, sell low again?


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