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 Alienware Mothership V12, Intruder alert!

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post Feb 10 2018, 01:12 AM

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my alienware 14 cannot charge, spoiled motherboard i think, anywhere to repair in penang?
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post Apr 6 2018, 07:09 PM

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just found out dell has released the latest bios updates for m17x r4 and aw18 r1, to fix intel's spectre/meltdown bugs. this is impressive.

edit: not many laptop manufacturers are doing this to protect their customers, especially for old laptops.


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post Apr 8 2018, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 6 2018, 07:09 PM)
just found out dell has released the latest bios updates for m17x r4 and aw18 r1, to fix intel's spectre/meltdown bugs. this is impressive.

edit: not many laptop manufacturers are doing this to protect their customers, especially for old laptops.
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Wondering if I update my Alienware M17x-R4 unit will it work with NVidia GTX 770 card. Currently with custom BIOS.
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post Apr 8 2018, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(nicks @ Apr 8 2018, 04:48 PM)
Wondering if I update my Alienware M17x-R4 unit will it work with NVidia GTX 770 card. Currently with custom BIOS.
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you can run m17x r4 with different cards without using custom bios. i have one running 880m, stock bios.
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post Apr 8 2018, 11:34 PM

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Hi sifus, correct me if I am in the wrong section.

I just upgraded my old M15X from 460M to 860M. Installed with modified .inf
However, the temperature on idle was on 70'c and on load it goes up to 90+ (then it throttles). (With some cheap thermals)
Hence, it performed worse compared to my 460M

What problem could it be? sad.gif cry.gif

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post Apr 9 2018, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(kviel1396 @ Apr 8 2018, 11:34 PM)
Hi sifus, correct me if I am in the wrong section.

I just upgraded my old M15X from 460M to 860M. Installed with modified .inf
However, the temperature on idle was on 70'c and on load it goes up to 90+ (then it throttles). (With some cheap thermals)
Hence, it performed worse compared to my 460M

What problem could it be?  sad.gif  cry.gif
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it's either bad thermal paste application, or incompatible gpu heat sink. (i.e. stock gpu heat sink might be insufficient to dissipate heat)

for the first one, reopen the gpu heat sink, and see if thermal paste covers all of the die surface. if not, clean it up and reapply the thermal paste (dot/rice method)

the second one is tricky. afaik, models like m17x r4 came with 2 types of gpu heat sinks, depending on gpu. for 660m they use a dual-heat-pipe heatsink; for 680m, they came with a 3-heat-pipe heatsink. (the additional heat pipe help to dissipate heats more efficiently). i'm not sure about m15x.
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post Apr 9 2018, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 9 2018, 12:31 AM)
it's either bad thermal paste application, or incompatible gpu heat sink. (i.e. stock gpu heat sink might be insufficient to dissipate heat)

for the first one, reopen the gpu heat sink, and see if thermal paste covers all of the die surface. if not, clean it up and reapply the thermal paste (dot/rice method)

the second one is tricky. afaik, models like m17x r4 came with 2 types of gpu heat sinks, depending on gpu. for 660m they use a dual-heat-pipe heatsink; for 680m, they came with a 3-heat-pipe heatsink. (the additional heat pipe help to dissipate heats more efficiently). i'm not sure about m15x.
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Thanks! I will try reapplying the thermal paste and pads. It got nothing to do with the drivers right? I had to use a modded .inf to install it because M15X does not support 860M officially.
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QUOTE(kviel1396 @ Apr 9 2018, 01:50 PM)
Thanks! I will try reapplying the thermal paste and pads. It got nothing to do with the drivers right? I had to use a modded .inf to install it because M15X does not support 860M officially.
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ok try that first. it's not supposed to be drivers. we all use modded .inf for these cards hehe
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Why is this happening? Just realised it. Both sides near the trackpad is bulging. Could it be battery? Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image
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post Apr 10 2018, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Apr 9 2018, 02:53 PM)
Why is this happening? Just realised it. Both sides near the trackpad is bulging. Could it be battery? Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image
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this is bad. yes it's possible that the battery went bad and caused this. take out and inspect the battery.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 10 2018, 03:12 AM)
this is bad. yes it's possible that the battery went bad and caused this. take out and inspect the battery.
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Yep. Confirmed is battery. Throw away d. Dell quote me battery rm590+200 workmanship. I biy online only rm259l0 from dell distributor.
Btw, why thos happen so sudden? Do you know whats the cause? High temperature?
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post Apr 10 2018, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Apr 10 2018, 10:19 AM)
Yep. Confirmed is battery. Throw away d. Dell quote me battery rm590+200 workmanship. I biy online only rm259l0 from dell distributor.
Btw, why thos happen so sudden? Do you know whats the cause? High temperature?
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from what i have read, there are multiple potential causes for a battery to swell. overheated is one, overcharged can cause this too, or simply the battery is too old.

well, it's better to take out the battery when it's not in use. for old laptops i usually do that.


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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 10 2018, 10:38 AM)
from what i have read, there are multiple potential causes for a battery to swell. overheated is one, overcharged can cause this too, or simply the battery is too old.

well, it's better to take out the battery when it's not in use. for old laptops i usually do that.
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Considering the laptop is only 3 years old, not too old right. I think might be overcharged, because i always leave iy plugged to downloas stuff. Well, the battery is non removable and built in. I thought that iys okay to leave it plugged for lithium ion battery?
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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Apr 10 2018, 10:58 AM)
Considering the laptop is only 3 years old, not too old right. I think might be overcharged, because i always leave iy plugged to downloas stuff. Well, the battery is non removable and built in. I thought that iys okay to leave it plugged for lithium ion battery?
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uh? just 3 years old? no not old at all. my m17x r4 are reaching 6. the batteries are removable so i took them out when i don't use these machines.

there must be some mechanisms to prevent over-charging for laptop's batteries (like smart phones) that's why they can do built-in batteries. my laptops are plugged in all the times when they were actively used. (aw18 r1 and xps has built-in batteries like yours)

since gas generation exist in lithium ion batteries, i think it's better to change them after a few years of use.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 10 2018, 12:06 PM)
uh? just 3 years old? no not old at all. my m17x r4 are reaching 6. the batteries are removable so i took them out when i don't use these machines.

there must be some mechanisms to prevent over-charging for laptop's batteries (like smart phones) that's why they can do built-in batteries. my laptops are plugged in all the times when they were actively used. (aw18 r1 and xps has built-in batteries like yours)

since gas generation exist in lithium ion batteries, i think it's better to change them after a few years of use.
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no idea why my battery bloated so fast, haha
Anyway, where to find the options for desktop mode for the battery? Cant find in anywhere, AW13 R2 2015
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QUOTE(Liang90 @ Jan 19 2018, 05:28 PM)
Hey guys, I'm quite tempted to purchase a DFO alienware unit because of the price difference. But I'm just curious about the warranty for DFO units. Would it be up-gradable like your typical Dell notebooks that is purchased new? If anybody has any experience regarding this, the information would be extremely helpful. Thanks!
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yes.. u purchased de?
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post Apr 10 2018, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Apr 10 2018, 03:21 PM)
no idea why my battery bloated so fast, haha
Anyway, where to find the options for desktop mode for the battery? Cant find in anywhere, AW13 R2 2015
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well it's not that uncommon actually, especially for slim laptops to get this.

er usually it's in the popup menu when you right click =power icon in notification area at the lower right.
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post Apr 10 2018, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 9 2018, 02:09 PM)
ok try that first. it's not supposed to be drivers. we all use modded .inf for these cards hehe
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**Edit: Apparently there is a weird issue going on and I solved it. I actually had to apply some pressure to the heat sink and then temp magically dropped from 90'c to 50'c on load. I think there is some gap between the heat sink and the gpu. So, I ended up placing a hard object between the heat sink and the laptop stand just to apply pressure to it constantly.

Tried replacing thermal using thermal grizzly kryonaut.
It did help by preventing the pc from auto shutting down on load now.
However, whenever when I load up again the temperature shoots up to 93'c in 10 secs after I load any game and the gpu began throttling.

Attached is the gpu reading on idle state
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This post has been edited by kviel1396: Apr 11 2018, 01:13 AM
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post Apr 10 2018, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(kviel1396 @ Apr 10 2018, 09:16 PM)
Tried replacing thermal using thermal grizzly kryonaut.
It did help by preventing the pc from auto shutting down on load now.
However, whenever when I load up again the temperature shoots up to 93'c in 10 secs after I load any game and the gpu began throttling.

Attached is the gpu reading on idle state
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how's the spread of thermal paste on the gpu die previously? did it cover almost all of the die?

can you take a picture of the gpu heat sink with the heat pipes shown? sorry i'm not really familiar with m15x.

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post Apr 11 2018, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 10 2018, 10:44 PM)
how's the spread of thermal paste on the gpu die previously? did it cover almost all of the die?

can you take a picture of the gpu heat sink with the heat pipes shown? sorry i'm not really familiar with m15x.
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I managed to find out the issue already. Editted my last post. Apparently I need to push the heat sink in. Im not sure why isit so. The screws are tight. Thickness of the thermal pad maybe?

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