Anyway, a spy photo taken for the 2 refineries in PD
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Oil & Gas Careers V8, Upstream and Downstream, Crude Oil (WTI): USD 45.22/bbl
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May 23 2015, 11:52 PM
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May 24 2015, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(kingdomdemon @ May 24 2015, 09:59 AM) Guys, got offered by favelle favco for project engineer Got job offer, just take the offer first. Fill in your resume's blanks as much as possible.is this company highly active in oil and gas industry? I am thinking to work there first before shifting to other oil and gas company Send detail to sapura and others,but got ignored. Results quite OK since first class graduate..... Really dilemma wether to take or not to take the offer For me, I won't really venture in to projects only, you have to venture in other fields also. With current oil price, there won't be much new projects, it will be more on buy and sell old plants or revamp the old plants. |
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May 24 2015, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(_azam13 @ May 24 2015, 11:00 PM) Correct me if Im wrong, but the news said Petronas' profit dropped, meaning that they are making less. That doesn't translate to losing money, right? If the news say that revenue is dropping, then I understand that there is possibility of Petronas losing money. Besides, I think pretty much every O&G companies' profit would drop (not only Petronas) or even incur losses, given the O&G climate nowadays... Oil price low, upstream only will suffer but not downstream. That's the reason why Shell and petron are making hell of money.Petronas are not in the boat due to songlap cases happening, not to mention white elephant projects that are still ongoing. |
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May 25 2015, 07:11 AM
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QUOTE(Stamp @ May 24 2015, 11:17 PM) I think we should stop discussion on issues not related to CAREERS in OIL & GAS in this thread. Wow, first time I see a discussion can be only discussing about good but cannot discuss on the bad.Those whose objectives in this thread are to show off their thinking and debate skills and want to win all debates at all costs, rather than posting of topics related to this thread, should continue their tirades in RWI or Kopitiam. And is always you pick on me, cannot find excuse to deny my facts already then come out with such lousy reply |
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May 25 2015, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(razo2 @ May 25 2015, 01:38 PM) Look at 40 years back for malaysia when oil can be found using 2 parallel pencils(dont believe me? ask any geologist at Petronas and Exxon) at Terrenganu oil fields. Probability of hitting an oil that time are 1/10 at best probability in exploration. Now lets talk about today 1/20 (sometimes 1/30) hits one successful oil field. So yes, oil is running short in malaysia. Gone are the days we get easy oil in malaysia. Show this statement to any geologist and they will tell you is facts for malaysian oil field. I have a powerpoint presentation of the stats of successful oil exploration in malaysia by most majors in malaysia. If not with me it is surely with my dad. Tapis crude only good for diesel manufacturing but poor on Petrol manufacturing.My dad is one of the founders of Tapis fields (worked on multiple oil & gas fields with proven sample taken from the field itself as the reward of his efforts) in ExxonMobil from his 50 years service in the company. Given a golden handshake for the retirement for long term service. Yes, refinement is needed no doubts, but is a sweet oil which needs very little processing to remove some impurities and fine sand. If you do not take into account the standards of oil quality, you can still use the oil in a car any day. They share the same traits as the Middle oil in terms of age, quality and reservoir porosity. Please do note not all Middle east fields share the same traits. Please ask before you quote assumptions. There is even proven research on why Tapis oil is almost similar to Middle East, Petronas was smart that they needed to know the reason why sweet oil exist. So your logic of little processing still does not stand. And I never make any assumptions, it is a fact that you are trying to deny. As said before, some search from wiki or distillation books will help you to gain more knowledge from your under the well knowledge. If Tapis crude can straight away being used as finished products with minimum processing, then why Petronas and ESSO need to invest and building hydro treater to remove sulphur and platformer to boost the RON up to > 100? BTW, your logic can only works if you eat yesterday and after that you no need to eat. |
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May 25 2015, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(razo2 @ May 25 2015, 03:46 PM) Tapis is light sweet crude. Low suplhur content (0.04%) which produces full range naphtha (light and heavy), butane, jet kero and high grade diesel. Such crude only need fractionation to obtain their products. Of course they will try to get rid of as much sulphur and H2S in the product. Also fine sand is found in any crude which is not good for engine combustion. But nothing is perfect when it comes to sulphur removal. As said, it is simple, your logic sure will work if you eat yesterday and then you no need to eat until you dies.The oil produced at Tapis is the same grade in all 4 platforms (platform may have increased for DD, my dad's time no such thing as DD and MWD) due to the fact that they share the same geological faults, age, temperature, porosity and depth. There is a reason why only Tapis had sweet light oil. Tapis is not found till later in my dad's career. Before Tapis, other oil fields are sour crude and some even have mercury. Thus, this explains why PD oil refinery had a hydro treater. Hydrocrackers are use to improve the oil performance for petrol. If things had changed in the Tapis field that I am not aware (I am working overseas btw), my sincere apology for any doubts created, we are here to share knowledge. I am here to share my dad's long life experience in that field. But the fact already proven that your logic fails. No need to keep on bringing your dad's story. Even if you want to bring up 40-50 years stories your logic still fails as hydro treater are built together with crude distillers. ESSO refinery are about 40 years. Your first statement already shows that you know nuts on crude processing. Even the lightest product of LPG still need to remove sulphur. When a crude is tested to have 0.04%wt of sulphur, once processed it will become higher. |
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May 25 2015, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(razo2 @ May 25 2015, 08:47 PM) I am aware that sulphur removal is not perfect. Hence my previous statement "But nothing is perfect when it comes to sulphur removal". Read my previous statement properly. Regarding the Tapis oil. Tapis oil is good oil that have low/no sulphur content, thus there is not much need to so refining at all. These kind of oil you can take and pump straight to the car and it will burn well. PD refinery obviously process other Malaysian oil field crude BEFORE Tapis was discovered. Tapis was only discovered only on 1969. No one builds a refinery without a HDS, that is plain stupid as each oil field are different from others when it comes to quality and sulphur content. Assuming PD only refines only Tapis oil (which NEVER HAPPENS), sulphur content will build up (even with the 0.04% sulphur) sulphur will always build up in concentration. Regardless is good or bad crude, good or bad crude are always stored, in which later it will be blended with other crude to produce the desired products based on market demand. No oil and gas company will take a crude to be burned staright to a car. That is plain no brainer either.My first statement was just a metaphore of how good the oil is at Tapis is. What makes you think I dont know anything about refinery? Once again dont assume. While using the search function, I found out a joker that know nuts on crude refining spit out such dumb statement, can help me to find out who is this joker And by reading your statement once again, it is still the same rubbish, you know nuts on crude refining Suggest do more readups first before spitting out rubbish again. |
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May 25 2015, 10:56 PM
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May 25 2015, 11:33 PM
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May 30 2015, 07:47 AM
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QUOTE(azraeil @ May 30 2015, 02:45 AM) Probably because you are talking cock all the time. What facts? A lot of rubbish is all I see. You try to obfuscate your arguments with your area of knowledge with some innuendos and conspiracy theory about others. I can tell someone trying to show off but ending up looking damn stupid. Talking cock? Better than some talk nonsense. Just copy limited info from wiki and keep on using his father to talk cock. |
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May 30 2015, 07:50 AM
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QUOTE(kockroach @ May 29 2015, 10:21 PM) Yup, in O&G companies, 1 thing good on contractors is, they have more power than their employer.This reminds me that the Floor company on recent big project in West Malaysia never pay salaries to their sub contractors that end up they stop to do any work for close to 1 month |
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May 31 2015, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(azraeil @ May 31 2015, 07:07 PM) 1st off, Petronas as a group still made a bazillion ringgit in PROFIT. If my underlings makes the above kind of comparisons, I would have taken his presentation and throw it into the bin. Why in the world are you comparing PETRONAS group with Shell Refinery? Why would you compare a Company that made 11.4 BILLION ringgit PROFIT in the Quarter against a Refining company who made 85 MILLION ringgit for the same quarter and then CONFIDENTLY say that Shell is making MORE money that PETRONAS? I met few jokers that talking cock exactly like you 10 years back See what I am getting here? PETRONAS made a smaller reduction in PROFIT percentage wise as compared to SHELL and EXXONMOBIL (i.e. PETRONAS perfoms better than SHELL and EXXONMOBIL) PROFIT for PETRONAS slumped by 39% as compared to a 56% slump by SHELL and a slump of 46% of Q1 PROFIT by EXXONMOBIL So before you CONFIDENTLY say that only PETRONAS is losing money, you might want to check your facts again. When oil price remaining low, salary and project still going up, while it won't show anything in short term, but EXXONMOBIL already no more running refining business in Malaysia. But you still saying EXXONMOBIL When fact also can't make it right also dare to talk nonsense Oh yah, MAS also the same last time, but what happen know? You are getting no where, instead, you got a Yamaha 125 compare to other villagers that only riding a Honda C70. With oil price low like this and numbers of multi billion mega projects that being cancelled world wide, this profit lost are a good trigger point to rethink what will happen for the next 5 years. |
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Jun 1 2015, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 1 2015, 04:25 AM) Nothing of what you typed made any sense. At all. Well, most will says I'm nonsense, anyway, time will tell. 10 years back, all says I'm talking nonsense, after 10 years, those fellows keep quiet when sees me, some even lost their job due to restructure.If a profit loss is inline with sector norms once CAPEX has been taken into context, I don't see the abnormality. It's merely market conditions at work. BTW, hope this people that keep on saying I'm talking nonsense won't join the 100 people in near future |
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Jun 1 2015, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(BillySteel @ Jun 1 2015, 11:42 AM) Urm I don't mind opposite views but I believe that an argument needs at least a little more understanding than simply reading a news paper article by journalist who sometimes don't even bother looking up on facts. Some just over optimistic until being slapped hard, like MAS are the best example. Quarterly report in some sense does not reflect anything, but it is a good indicator. Remember, OPEC meeting will be held this month and if Saudi refuse to reduce output, the price will continue to stay low. One journalist even wrote in RON 95 vs 97, that using RON 97 does not increase engine capacity! Petronas suffered a drop in profit due to the fall in global oil prices. I don't look into those indicators Petronas profit margin in the first quarter of 2014 was ~32% compared with 2015 at ~25% with revenues dropping ~21%. And lets not forget that crude oil prices dropped ~60% since that time. This is not the problem. It actually shows that the management team are reflecting planning policy to reflect the new prices. While operating expenditure for 2014 was ~62% of revenue and 2015~66%. While Petronas was quick to ask their vendors/contractors to take a pay cut, if prices stay like this for too long Petronas might need to stop being a charity organization and start being a company back again. This is their single biggest problem. While revenue and profit took a hit, their operating expenditure increased by almost 4%. But remember this is quarterly report so it might reflect the actual picture. This is also the single point that takes down any company including MAS, and that why the German terminator terminated *pun intended*. So in a sense you have a point. Low oil price are very bad for upstream business while downstream business may see some shed of lights, this is why Shell and Petron can make money as both of them are downstream business. BTW, Petron now no more taking petro from Singapore, instead they are taking from a refinery in Melaka. Logically, that Melaka's refinery additional output should boost the revenue more, but this does not help at all. Raw and finish products price remain low but OPEX and CAPEX remains the same are very bad |
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Jun 1 2015, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jun 1 2015, 05:24 PM) Wow, that's all you got? Picking up on ExxonMobil vs. Esso in my paragraph? Yikes, you got issues dude. Hello, you slapped your self already no need to to pick up back some sand. I posted is local and never said anything about worldwide My comprison was between PETRONAS group vs Shell Worldwide and ExxonMobil worldwide. But anyway, who am I kidding.... This is like talking to Tony Pua and Rafizi about 1MDB. Nothing you'll say will make them happy. They make losses they scream bloody murder, they make money you scream bloody murder also. Your reply with MAS etc is as garbled as it gets. Sheeshhhhh. You failed on this is mainly because you are just for the sake of troll. You can get the gang to support you to twist the dirty fact in this forum, but you can't twist it in the real world. Again, you are are just merely a village boy that own a slightly expensive kap chai. Can do wheeling is nothing to boast about |
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Jun 1 2015, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jun 1 2015, 05:32 PM) You definitely has issues. Probably one of the reason you got the sack. Sheesh. Well, I got sacked happily, since I can release my anger to the boss.How stupid is it for you to compare PETRONAS who made 11 billion against Shell Refinery that made 85 million? No wonder you got the sack cause you can't make a proper comparison and analysis in the first place. Even if I don't get sacked, the resignation letter already prepared. So I got no lost at all So you can't find better excuse already and trying to do personal attack on me, how lame you are. But forgot, you are just a village boy, so I understand this |
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Jun 8 2015, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(noruazumi @ Jun 8 2015, 11:18 AM) Ok what, at least all people can enjoy low fuel price. Good for business growth. |
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Jun 8 2015, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(noruazumi @ Jun 8 2015, 01:55 PM) Yes, true true. Fuel price are under black box operation basically. Nobody will tell you how it is being calculated.BTW, how to calculate crude price to consumer's petrol price? I heard in UK, petrol price keep increasing since January. But when comparing the fuel price, it shall be compared base on same condition. We are crude oil export country, so it shall be compared to crude oil export countries. Malaysia are comparing the price with Singapore, so the price are cheaper. But if comparing it to ME countries, our fuel price are way expensive. UK already a bankrupt country, so they have to raise the fuel price to cover the debts. |
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Jun 9 2015, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jun 8 2015, 04:12 PM) Apa yang aku tau, MOPS - Mean of Platts Singapore benchmark shall not be mistaken to Crude oil benchmark. On the blue fonts, typical GLC's mode of operation :Kena Tanya orang kerja PDB and KPDNKK about MOPS data. They know better about APM for gasoline & diesel. Contrary to popular belief, PETRONAS gain nothing for any increase of gasoline price. Kena tanya KPDNKK. 1. mismanagement 2. over manpower 3. simply starting white elephant projects 4. black box operation BTW, Petronas's fuel sales are increased ever since ESSO retreat from downstream and trading business. So Petronas gain nothing is just a myth. Malaysian are paying rm0.80 minimum of premium to Petronas and 90% of Petronas petrol station's main consumers are government's vehicles. So with monopolized market on strategic locations and non nego contracts but yet making lesser money is a big ? mark. Still, all the people that are directly and indirectly working in Petronas will deny this fact. |
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