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> How come I never see Javanese people in Malaysia, if there's 4.3 million of them?

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TSVarezart
post May 7 2015, 12:52 PM, updated 11y ago

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_people

Wikipedia said got 4.3 million of them in Malaysia but I never encounter any of them before. Wikipedia make mistake or what?

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post May 7 2015, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ May 7 2015, 12:53 PM)
because they have become Malaysians!!!! rclxm9.gif
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I see Malaysian Malay, Malaysian Chinese, Malaysian Iban, Malaysian Kadazan but never come across Malaysian Javanese.
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post May 7 2015, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(apisfires @ May 7 2015, 12:55 PM)
easy lah
go to Banting melambak kaum Nogo Sengkolo
they identify as malay ler.. like chinese also have hokkien, teochew is classified as chinese
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So they no longer Javanese, but is ethnic Malay? Javanese assimilate as Malay?
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post May 7 2015, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(aymni @ May 7 2015, 12:58 PM)
In Malaysia a lot of the Malays have Javanese blood in them. They may not necessarily be from Java, but their ancestors were. Different to Indonesia, we just call everyone Malays instead of differentiating them based on where they're from, ie Jawa, Acheh, Minang etc.
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So those ethnic Javanese all assimilate into ethnic Malay?
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post May 7 2015, 01:19 PM

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If they already assimilate into Malay, does that mean even if a person consider himself or herself as Malay, he or she wouldn't know if there is Javanese blood in them?


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post May 7 2015, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(aymni @ May 7 2015, 01:21 PM)
may or may not know. parents will know generally, but younger generation may not.
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When Malay people in Malaysia claim themselves as Malay, do they mean Malay as in ethnic or race?

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Malay race, a racial category used in the late 19th and early 20th century to describe Austronesian peoples
Ethnic Malays, the ethnic group located primarily in the Malay peninsula, and parts of Sumatra and Borneo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay

Yes, there is difference between ethnic Malay and Malay race.
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post May 7 2015, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(aymni @ May 7 2015, 01:40 PM)
why not both?
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Hmm.. make sense. If it's both it mean ethnically, Malaysian Javanese has throw away their ethnic Javanese identity but instead, choose to assimilate into ethnic Malay identity.

Perhaps in the future, younger generation of Malay will never know if one of their ancestor is ethnic Javanese.
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post May 7 2015, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(aymni @ May 7 2015, 02:07 PM)
Most likely. Modenrnisation, Western culture and all. Not just Malays or Javanese, all races as well, I think.
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Do you have any idea how many percentage of Malaysia population consists of ethnic Malays, Boyanese, Achinese, Javanese, Bugis, Balinese before they all assimilate into ethnic Malay? Do we have census for that?
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post May 7 2015, 05:56 PM

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If a Javanese with Indonesia nationality want to change his nationality to Malaysian, does he need to change his ethnicity from Javanese to Malay too?

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post May 7 2015, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 7 2015, 06:36 PM)
Area sabak bernam, sungai besar, sekinchan banyak orang jawa, my mother's side family is jawa from sungai besar
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But Sabak Bernam and Sungai Besar total population is not even close to 1 million. Wikipedia said got 4.3 million Javanese in Malaysia. Where are the other come from?

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post May 7 2015, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(aymni @ May 7 2015, 06:53 PM)
no clue. Malaysia considers all this as Malays. I believe Malaysian constitution says you're a Malay if you're a Muslim and you practice Malay ways of living.
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So we don't know how many percentage or how common it is Malay people today has Javanese ancestry?

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post May 7 2015, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(aymni @ May 7 2015, 07:31 PM)
At least I don't know. Someone in Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara might. Why do you ask?
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Because I was just wondering with ethnic Javanese in Malaysia getting assimilated into Malay ethnicity, how did the wikipedia manage to get the population of ethnic Javanese in Malaysia which is 4.3 million figure? IF Javanese got assimilated as Malay ethnicity, shouldn't their ethnicity in Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara also change to Malay ethnicity? How did wikipedia get their information? hmm.gif

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post May 7 2015, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(gm_18300 @ May 7 2015, 08:01 PM)
Actually looking at mine father birth certificate..race is jawa not malay...hahaaa
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What about your mother? Your own race and ethnic is what?

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