Dan Green, world record powerlifter, been lifting for 10 years plus, Raw Total with and without Wraps for weight class 220: 2110 lbs, humble as hell.

Eric Lillibridge, Raw Total with and without Wraps for weight class 275: 2380 lbs, holder of Junior WR Deadlift: 865lbs, humble as hell.

Mark Bell, creator of Slingshot, benched 771lbs for weight class 275lbs, lifting for 20 years plus, humble as hell.

Armesh, gained optimum amount of muscle mass in his 90 days skinny to buff challenge, bench 1xBW @ 132lbs, just been lifting for 5 months, ego, brags quite a lot and gives advice like elite experience lifter.

Probably you should learn how to be humble from them as well.

p/s: No hating on you, just my observation and everyone as well. You can pick sides, be a Pacquiao OR a Mayweather, right now you are the latter.

I feel "gym experience" is useless. I had a friend/workout partner who gym'ed for 8 months +. After 8 months he could not even bench press his bodyweight and didn't look like he lift. He was a tall, big boned gifted mesomorph. Once after 8+ months into "training" he asked me... "Armesh, what is calorie? Apple got calorie ah?", I will remember that question until I die.

Then there's the "abangs" in my gym including the gym owner who's been lifting like 6~8 years I not sure. Steroid user. He talks/beliefs/advocates crap like "mass untuk sizing, protein untuk cutting" and tells me to bulk on mass gainers cause then 80% of the weight gained will be muscle compared to food only 20% muscle. Then there's also this fat guys who's been training maybe like 3 years, look like shit and heir 1RM bench is ~ their bodyweight. It's a horrible broscience environment. Nobody knows what is a small surplus.

So this is why I normally use the Powerlifting standards to categorize people. The bench is pretty accurate, 2x body-weight bench is truly an elite feat, and I use relative strength cause you can't cheat relative strength, it locks you.

I exclusively very strictly take all my advice from elite natural lifters who are almost at their genetic max, cause they are truly experienced in lifting. A natural who attains a 1.5x bodyweight bench in 1 year of training is light years ahead of knowledge compared to some fat guy who run bro splits, trains for pump and get 225lbs bench after 2 years.

SL is pure rubbish while ICF 5x5 is absolute trash. Please don't do either.
Do this instead: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=159678631

Doing fullbody 3x/ week in 3 years will give you equal results of doing bro-splits 4~5x/week for 5 years. Bro-splits are not optimum, progress is much slower due to frequency issue. Your chest does not take 7 fucking days to recover and doing 5 different exercises for chest will just make you improve slower on key exercises. Fullbody can direct focus on key lifts like flat bench, incline bench, weighted pullups and be godlike in 3 years.

Here is my beginner journey: https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day

I ran my own program that I wrote myself. I am now Intermediate lifter able to bench slightly above my body-weight.

My area yea. It's ALOOOT. If the guy is 70+ kg, 10% bf, 90% chance he conform take one. You can just talk to some guys and easily get it. Sometimes they'll be just talking about their use in open. My area are all ghetto gyms.

Need to have conversations and screen this guys first.