hi guys

im looking for a manual flash ( preferably 3rd party )

basically i already got 2 model in my mind

- yongnuo YN 560 IV

- nissin di622 mark ii

can any sifusssss out thr give some commend about these 2 flashes by listing down some pros and cons ....

ermmm.... im just a beginner so i think i wont spend too much for this as it just my learning steps ........

feel free to suggest others flashes as well if you got other choice that will fit to my situation as well

thank you in advance

Also forget to mention .....

Im using nikon camera ......

which Nikon camera model?

will you be using it on hotshoe? or wireless? or both?

nikon D7000

mostly on hotshoe ..... and my camera thr is a pop up flash so i wish to use it for slave mode too

Better get back Nikon flash.
For the extra price you are paying, you won't regret it.
Not to discriminates third party brands, but they need to take a breath after each flash. Nikon flash does not have this problem and can continuously flashing, but you will end up batteries hot.

ya ..... your right ..... i have read some review in this and other forums too ..... most of them also said that its better to go back to original flash .....

but the problem now is i have tight budget ...... doesnt have that much juice to spend ....

and also im not a pro .... im not shooting sports, events, and pay job ....

i just shoot for random street view and some portraits for anime event ......

do this matters also since most of my subject is still so i dont really need multi or burst flash ?

This is up to you to decide.
For me, I prefer to have the equipment won't fail on me.
With Nikon's CLS, it can do wonders. But you not really need to get SB-910, SB-700 also good enough already.

I use nissin di622 mark ii, good enough for my usage which include the occasional portrait, event and product photography.
The function are simple and straightforward + or - eV
You can use as master or slave for a nikon/canon.
Can also set it to trigger on a flash

nissin flash long lasting ?

i got see some of the forum-er said yongnuo is not that long lasting due bad build quality but can produce good flash quality ...... nissin is vice versa .....

how do you see this ?

Been using Yongnuo for a while, so far no problem, other than horrible battery door quality. Mine is the Yongnuo YN600EX-RT which is a copy of Canon's 600EXRT. This one works with both my Canon and Nikon wireless flash system.

one more good commend for yongnuo

seems like so far .....beside the internal circuit thing ..... battery door is a common problem for most third part flashlight .....

what exactly is ur budget? below rm300?
i had a nissin 622, output is good enough, but obviously build quality lacking abit.
never tried the yongnuo, but it definitely looks nicer
just that when i got the nissin back then the yongnuo didnt exist...else i would be more tempted by it.

tried looking at used nikon flashes? sb600 can get rm400.

ya .....my budget around 300 only ....

Mine still working after 4 years. I do use it a lot on the first 2 years..

Build quality feels ok. I mean no screw or plastic fell out/loose, everything still intact.

wow ....

that is great ~

I would say Yong Nuo 560 iv should be a good choice as a first manual flash. You can slowly build up by buying another 560 iv and then a 560 tx trigger for more advance off camera flash system. It can be expanded in the future.

Future proofing is a good thing in photography as you should be expending your equipment if you're into photography.

One of my YN flashes have an easy to overheat problem. I hear this is luck on getting a good copy because even Canon/Nikon flashes can be like this too.

Correct about the OVERHEAT part BUT as long as you're not doing consecutive firing at 1/1 then it shouldn't come to that point.

actually my first choice is yongnuo ....

but when i read through part of the forum ... i saw quite a number of ppl said that yongnuo is not that long lasting when compare to nissin .....

thats why i decided to open a new thread to compare this 2 flashes .....

i think maybe i will go for yongnuo .... and as long as i didnt use it too over then should be no problem ....

Yeah been shooting 1/1 max power so i could close my aperture to f8-11.

Well invest in good rechargeable AA batteries. Give better recycle time and saves money in the long run too.

Every flash will overheat if kept firing at 1/1 lol. It won't take that long either.

Nikon. Canon. Yong nuo. Nissin. I face this issue on every system.

For manual flash, unless exact power and temp is required, it doesn't matter.

Just must make sure to disable sleep mode !!

disable the sleep mode ?

im a noob .... can explain why must do that ?

is it will cause damage to the flash ? or will reduce its lifespan ?

Only applicable when you're using it wirelessly
Don't want the flash to stop responding and you have to manually wake it

never think of it ~

thank you so much

Does the Yong Nuo has high speed sync?
This is the one thing that Nissin di622 doesn't have and is very troublesome..
Very useful for portraiture and using fill light

Oh well, can workaround using ND filter but.. troublesome loh

impossible to get HSS at this price point. you will require special trigger system too, not only a HSS capable flash if you want to use it wireless.

Before spending that much on a wireless HSS system, do take note it has limitations and see if it's enough to fulfill your requirement.
Power is a lot lesser than regular mode.

talk about waking up from sleep, my YN600EX-RT is a TTL flash, and it doesn't wake up from sleep no matter how you fire your shots. Just have of OFF / ON the fella.

The higher end ones like YN 568 EXii and YN 600EX-rt has HSS.

if want to do off camera flash with high sync speed ....

use hot cable can achieve ?

If you are a beginner, I'll suggest you get the Nikon flash. Reason being that you will learn all that much better and you will learn the full features of the Nikon body with the flash.

Using third party flashes there are bound to be some features that are incompatible or non-accessible. Furthermore you may get confused as these limitations may get in the way of your learning about flash photography.

Once you have a good grasp of using the flash you may opt to get third party as slaves.

Sure, you will need to pay more up front but think of it as paying your tuition fees to learn flash photography.

if its your first flash or primary flash (or workhorse flash) get back Nikon's one. (there is already more then 5 ELITE reply giving same advise, u know we all are telling a serious advise)

only get YN for its cheap price(value) for slaves(2nd/3rd/4th) flash uses only.

if one day you landed a good pay job, and 3rd party flash might screw everything up... you will not go wrong with nikon flash (as primary flash)

and dont go worry bout HSS yet, you start from basics learning bounce flash first, HSS comes in advance "turning day into night" effect, which is far away

edits: added the word ELITE, lol

This post has been edited by ieR: May 13 2015, 03:42 PM

noted !!!!

i will reconnsidering the flashes that i wanted to buy .....

mostly i will follow your suggestion to go for the nikon flash ....

so .... errrmmmm ...

had to work hard save more money for the ori flashes

There are good 3rd party flash as well, brands like Metz for example, probably can outdo Nikon's flashes. Malaysia's top wedding photographers are Metz ambassadors too but Metz flash can cost just as much (or more) than Nikon flash.

For hobbyists - I'd recommend just going Yongnuo. Cheap and good to try, I use it for many events now. They're not bad at all.

If you foresee getting paid jobs and such the Nikon flash would be better compared to 3rd party.

One advantage of getting Nikon flash to use on Nikon body would be, in case shit happens, the brands won't be able to blame one another.

Well I just played with my YN 560iv as on camera flash just now. I just realized it does not has AF assist beam. That's not good... Its quite an essential feature for on camera flash imo. There are Yong Nuo flashes that do have AF assist beams especially those that have ETTL on them.

The AF assist beam (like a laser guided laser beam, bit its actually infra red) can help focus in the dark. You can turn off the lights in your room and still get accurate focus with that beam.

Edit: I got the YN 560iv for off camera flash and they are pretty good at that job.

This post has been edited by Rice_Owl84: May 13 2015, 11:16 PM

i've never used the focus assist beam on my nikon flashes before.
that said, the nissin i once had, the focus assist beam was quite off centered...so i never used it also

looking for that model too .. together with YN-E3-RT..
where to buy those ? any suggestion?

went to a store in Sunway damansara but the store guy didn't know the flash well..

tigaxxx contact https://www.facebook.com/gstrapinuse

thanks.. I will

Finally..... end up with YN560 iv manual flash for rm265
Will buy 2 units of YN560 iii later...

u buying mark 3 ?

how much is it ?

and also where you buy it ?

Ya M 3 as slaves. .. it has built in radio receiver
the price should be around rm200 and probably buying them either from the link above ( post#37) or lazada/lelong...

wow around 200 for new unit ?

Just did a quick search. . The price is more than 200

for lazada and lelong ..... just did a quick search i found that mark 3 no more selling only mark 4

with that price a little bit lower ..... can buy from gstrapinuse for 268 ( price is reduced )

and i dont know they still selling the mark 3 or not because last time i ask they said no more selling mark 3 only mark 4 is available

maybe you can try then tell me whether they still selling or not who knows maybe they restock mark 3