Some say that if DotA didn'y exist, Warcraft will never being so popular, is it true?? Is Warcraft creator ----- Blizzard had alraedy made up a plan that they WILL not succes in their original gaming BUT gain the profit in the Warcraft MAP EDITOR.

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mayb.. quite true actually
juz like half-life will never be so popular without CS

hey... what the? half life the game was popular lah... you just didnt get to enjoy the game storyline . Why do you think Half Life 2 is such a hit nowadays? Then with episode one summore...

*add on*

and btw, Half Life 1 was game of the year of 1999... 'nuff said

This post has been edited by J-Slade: Oct 22 2006, 09:40 AM

i dont think so cause warcraft 3 made it into the world cyber games official game list even though dota haven exist at that time....

warcraft 3 existed looooooong ago b4 dota. dota is just a custom map games -.- and blizzard wont die becoz of not dota, no such thing and this is a joke, even though many players play dota, mostly eastern country and mostly play pirated though, blizzard still didnt earn any extra significant cash -.- dota is not that great. those who say this seriously never played through warcraft stories and never get to know warcraft b4 this dota

This post has been edited by Christopher_LKL: Oct 22 2006, 10:09 AM

yeap.. I couldnt agree more. warcraft has been around for ages before dota even came out man.. and for those old skool gamers, you would have played the earlier warcraft I & warcraft II? haha.... oh man.. i miss the footman.

Warcraft 3 itself is a great RTS game, just that recently there are many so called "pro" players play dota very well and they thought they are good in warcraft normal game too, but it turned out to be other way round

So warcraft won't die without Dota because there's still many genuine warcraft players like myself who still support the classic RTS out there.

Although the way you expressed it isn't really presentable, but I agree with whatever sense I can make out of it =D.

And whoever say that WCIII won't become popular if not for DotA is so naive I'd point and die of laughter.

Even if dota failed and thent here are alot of other decent war3 maps to play too y'know. And melee games are good too, just alot of people dun play anymore cause they wan dota.
Maybe if there wasn't dota then cs would still be more popular. I predict that some game has to come around soon and give dota a run for it's money. Like cs lah, when it was #1 eveyone thought it would go onn forever. Now some people still play but not as many. Same thing should happen to dota in the end

agree with you all that say Warcraft won't die if dota vanish
becoz i also play war3 long history ago before dota
i love war3 melee game!!!

but my fren all juz play dota...
and when we say "play warcraft", he will say "play dota"...
seen like he aledi forgot that dota is under war3
and dota not the all!!!

true, but that only happen in malaysia or maybe even singapore. it really funny when some people thought dota is a game itself when it actually just a custom map in w3. question such as 'how to install dota' show how stupid people can be. i buy my ori w3 4 years ago not because of dota, but because of addiction in playing melee online as well as various custom maps. i now focus more on dota, but there might be a time when i get bored on dota and start playing melee back.

I used to play WC3 when it was 1st release without any mods. Didn't like it much.....so i quit it

Den, when there's DotA, I give it another try n found out dat DotA's concept was not bad......WC3 will not die, bt without DotA, there might ppl who doesn't knw wat is WC3 till now

wtf? Warcraft 1,2,3 being so famous & popular in the world many years ago b4 dota even existed .... me myself am a hardcore melee game player last time....

if u are a regular replays.net visitor... u will realised there are still many many ppl in the world playing melee game instead of Dota...

but after i started playing dota since 5.8x version .. then i stopped melee game already..

To those of you who think that Warcraft 3 would be "dead" if there was no dota, let me present: EXHIBIT A...

Starcraft

Released more than 5 years before the original DotA was released (I'm talking about the one that was for Reign of Chaos), this game still has a large amount of players playing it everyday. Do they have anything like DotA? Did they NEED anything like DotA?

Anyway, to the threadstarter, what the hell do you mean by this:
Unless I missed something, since when did Blizzard charge for the map editor of all things? Or do you think that ppl would just buy Warcraft 3 for the map editor alone? Are there ppl really that bored and rich that they'd go "Hey, I feel like making a map for a game I don't own, let me go buy the map editor, then release it online for free"

Either way, you've just demonstrated how ignorant you are about Blizzard in general (Like most DotA players who claim to be Blizzard "fans"). Go look up "World of Warcraft"

Well, just for ur info, it is nearly impossible to get pirated warcraft III cd in western countries. To my amuse, i found it very hard to get an original one so I have to buy it in ebay. I think it's only m`sia or sg where ppl can buy pirated cd and dvd easily. In western countries, it doesnt exist at all. Btw, back to the topic, warcraft III definitely wont die becoz of dota, warcraft III itself is already intriguing enough, the story line, the heroes and etc.

That's because in Western counties, you have uber fast broadband... Oh yeah, and also because the ppl there place "value" in games as welll.

IIRC dota came out pretty soon after ROC was launch but then dota didnt pick off here until like 1 or 2 years ago and it started to become the hottest game and some claim that it's more popular than CS in it's heydays

That DotA you are talking about is not the DotA everyone is crazy about. The latter was ripped from the former.

ya la

Say, I could agree that W3 is a great game, coz i've played the game, and found storyline quite interesting, evenmore that it had it's own W3 History, something like Burning Legion.

>>> I could really agree that if DotA didn't born out, maybe there are still many gamers don't know W3, even the W1 & W2. Beyond myself is an example, if it's not DotA, I REALLY dont' know what is WARCRAFT III.

>>> As the above, even though Blizzard says that the MAP EDITOR is not under it's control. But BLIZZARD DID made a nice move that to present the editor along the game, this make it even MORE popular than be4.

>>> W3 gets the result:
* Best Expansion Pack - Gamespot
* Best Multiplayer Game - Gamespot
* Best PC Strategy Game (Readers' Choice) - GameSpot
* Game of the Month - IGN PC
* Editor's Choice (90 out of 100 rating) - Games Xtreme
* Editor's Choice (9 out of 10 rating) - Strategy Gaming Online
* PC Strategy Gamers' Choice - GameSpy
* 94 out of 100 rating - Next Level Gaming
* 94 out of 100 rating - Gamer Play Networks
* 94 out of 100 rating - Game Marshal
* 94 out of 100 rating - GameAxis
* 92 out of 100 rating - The Gamer's Temple
* 91 out of 100 rating - Action Trip
* 90 out of 100 rating - Gameguru Mania
* 88 out of 100 rating - GameSpy
* 10 out of 10 rating - Game Chronicles Magazine
* 9.4 out of 10 rating - GameZone
* 9.2 out of 10 rating - GameSpot
* 9 out of 10 rating - IGN PC
* 8.9 out of 10 rating - Worthplaying
* 8.8 out of 10 rating - Gamer's Hell
* 5 out of 5 rating - GamePro
* A- rating - UGO

>>> So lets say, Warcraft Won in TRIPLE sections:
>>>Graphics---W3 gave the look into one of the best graphic I've known in RTS gaming.
>>>Storyline---W3 design the best RTS stroyline I've known, you get the legends of it, you the history of it. AND HEROES!!!
>>>MAP EDITOR---W3 's map editor gave players to create more flexible game playing, so you won't be bored.

w3 is a great game u look at it from ur point of view thats it

how bout the tower war and melee games...sometime also boring with DOTA and play tower...

one of these specimens already did. and created a topic titled "is dota same with wow? " in World of Warcraft forums.
lol.

do you play melee on bnet? i need to find long term partner

I just sayed tht BLIZZARD wants to keep it's fans in touch of the game. So, MAYBE Map Editor is one of their plans. And war and melee games are a map right?-- THTS wat i saw in the manual.

I thought the melee game that u guys mentioning was original Real-time strategy ?

Oh please, map editors have been bundled with RTS' since C&C Red Alert did it. Age of Empires has one, all the C&C games since then has one, even Starcraft had one.

Its nothing special that they included a map editor... If they REALLY wanted to do something special, they'd include a full SDK (Which gives you full access to everything the RTS engine can do)... Now, that would be cool, but AFAIK, no RTS developer has done it (I'm just guessing here)

melee map is the custom game that start with 5 worker and also 1 capital
also is the most basic kind of map in war3
you remind me the Starcraft map editor...
i hear my fren say it is very hard to make a map, coz it need coding much
and unlike the war3 map editor, which got option to select what event to do, and what will happen next

>>>>>> GOD, if they do that, there will be no need of having other RTS gaming around anymore, players could just create thier own RTS GAME!

yeah, I would love them to migrate DotA away from the Warcraft III platform & use some free game engines, but the bigger problem here is - they will need a some good graphic designers to make it visually appealing.

Essentially, the Warcraft 3 and Starcraft editor perform the same thing, which is to make maps for their respective games and nothing more. The only difference is complexity (Starcraft's is old and therefore not as easy to use)

You're assuming that the Warcraft 3 engine is the best RTS engine in existence... Guess what? Its not by a longshot. It can't render mass armies, it can't do squads, it doesn't have reactive unit AI (And no, Attack-move is not the best RTS AI should be able to do), it doesn't even have a physics engine. Try playing other RTS' out there and you'll begin to see how inadequate Warcraft 3 stacks up against the rest of the crowd.

Go read up on what SDK's usually allow the user. By that logic, FPS gaming wouldn't be around anymore since the release of the Quake SDK as ppl could make their FPS game. Hell, the entire Quake source code is free now... Why am I not seeing the demise of FPS' in the world? Making a game is not as easy as you seem to think.

ALamak not this shit again...

Log in the bnet, look at the bnet message of the day, there should be of a number thats login and the users that are in games, currently there are 1320 games right now. Now click on the custom games and see how many custom games are there. Point is melee players outnumbers dota players by a lot. However the numbers are declining and its very hard to search for a game these days.

They keep in touch by listening to the people who plays melee games, like when theres a glitch,exploit,advantage,disadvantage of races going on they update the patch so players like me would stfu going imba as well as improving the game. They cant care less about the map editor,ive seen very few or minor updates on the map editors.

>>> So if they make major changes on the map, will it better??
>>> Wonder some1 could intro me a melee game so i can have some view in it...

>>> Im saying tht if some1 let the RTS engine spoile out for players, thn players could create thier own RTS game, isn't it?I mean lots of possibilities.

>>> I know that other RTS are better than warcraft, like ages of empires, rise of nations/legends, lots more. LOL!!! Quake realease it's FPS engine, truly that creating games are tough, but there are still many people willing to take a try on it, maybe tomorrow u'll saw a new FPS game created using Quake FPS engine.

No people would just still whine and complain,blizzards trying theyre best to balance the game.

Hehe so your a bs playerlah, that explains a lot....

fyi a lot of good players like paulyan for example are melee players but they switched to dota cause its much of a pressure,lag etc.

This post has been edited by ubhm: Oct 24 2006, 08:06 PM

Hmmm... from all of it, i found out that looks like W3's melee game which is really attracting players.

Because it's there, whereas you have to download dota and play with your friends or 0 lags if you want to enjoy it.

And your point is? I truly feel bad for the modding scene as they've been around for decades and until now, nobody gives them some recognition... And one simple map mod takes away all its thunder. At least Counter-Strike took a lot of liberal changes to Half-Life...

My original point is that the map editor doesn't make Warcraft 3 become T3H B3ST G4M3 3V4!

Warcraft3 melee games are great la, they would certainly survive without DotA

>>> I didn't say map editor made W3 the best game. My freind-- an RTS dummer, says tht W3 not so good, even red alert2 better than it. But he plays W3 again, err.... well DotA.

>> U mean if W3 make changes, it'll get a chance to stands up against most of the RTS game??

well that depends. some people may find red alert better than wc3 but others may not, some may enjoy using a hero and an army of units.

>> yeah, same thing here, I prefer playing DotA than Red Alert, especially red alert release the expansion, it S-XX-K, how to play through tht expansion?? I kept loosing to my friend becoz of tht.

Observe what you said earlier
Since you were, you know extolling how awesome warcraft 3 was, and since you listed the map editor as one of those features which contributed to its awesomeness, one would naturally assume that you consider the map editor to be a contributing factor in making Warcraft 3 an awesome game.

Yet, you're saying no now.



This post has been edited by H@H@: Oct 24 2006, 10:17 PM

To answer the threadstarter ORIGINAL QUESTION,
YES to Malaysia. NO to everywhere else.

DOTA is much more casual (in terms of gameplay, no point to argue on that) than WC3 standard game, and that makes it more presentable to wider range of gamers in Malaysia. It is similar in the case of CS vs deathmatch style FPS.

Ah yes, I agree to your point !!

>>> I mean, W3 IS a great game with it's map editor, BUT it's RTS engine is not good, i only said it had a great RTS STORYLINE!!!

WHAT?! the normal game aka RTS you called it as custom game??!

i know what you trying to said.. i was a hardcore "CUSTOM GAME" player last time...
but in my knowledge of warcraft 3 ... i would call it as RTS or melee game as others members here mentioned... DotA is considered custom game.