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post May 2 2015, 10:44 AM, updated 11y ago

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Should I get a proper SUV, or a CUV instead? Boot space wise, horse power wise and fuel efficiency, Mazda leads with only Rm8k extra. I wouldn't mind living without keyless entry and Bi-xenon lamps though. Should I get the 2.0 Mazda CX5 GL (lowest spec) or 1.8 Honda HRV (V Spec)? Rm126k / Rm118k.

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post May 2 2015, 11:22 AM

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I will choose HRV because I don't need such a big car. The rear seat is more spacious when I tried it due to better leg room. Or maybe it is just me. smile.gif
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post May 2 2015, 11:23 AM

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I will choose HRV because I don't need such a big car. The rear seat is more spacious when I tried it due to better leg room. Or maybe it is just me. smile.gif
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post May 2 2015, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Vincy8925 @ May 2 2015, 10:44 AM)
Should I get a proper SUV, or a CUV instead? Boot space wise, horse power wise and fuel efficiency, Mazda leads with only Rm8k extra. I wouldn't mind living without keyless entry and Bi-xenon lamps though. Should I get the 2.0 Mazda CX5 GL (lowest spec) or 1.8 Honda HRV (V Spec)? Rm126k / Rm118k.
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CX-5 should be compared to CR-V, and if in terms of space when comparing with HRV, CX-5 wins.

Weight wise, CX-5 1,522kg compare to HRV 1,249kg, that is about 273kg difference. So power-to-weight ratio CX-5 74.9kW/tonne vs HRV 84.1kW/tonne. What lost in power is gained in torque, so CX-5 will have decent acceleration as it has 200Nm compare to HRV 172Nm. Power is the one determining top speed (we won't be driving at top speed here in Malaysia, unlike in Germany Autobahn), so torque is a more comparison parameter since it determines whether a car can accelerate fast enough, CX-5 131.4Nm/tonne vs. HRV 137.7Nm/tonne (quite close).

FC wise, CX-5 have i-Stop which stops your engine when you are at a traffic light, while HRV doesn't has this kind of system. So it could be comparable in terms of FC (CX-5 2.0L vs. HRV 1.8L) [only applicable to CBU unit, not CKD and CKD GL version (thanks cucubud for pointing it out)]. As Mazda is implementing Skyactiv in their design which yield about 10% more fuel efficient than its predecessors with lower compression ratio engines, something similar to Honda i-VTEC. To my experience with Honda torque converter CVT vs. Mazda Skyactiv AT, Honda needs to rev up high to get the acceleration since the will be power losses through the torque converter and a peculiar not enough power feeling with CVT, while Mazda has a built-in clutch in the torque converter to transmit 100% power to the gearbox directly when enough speed is achieve (usually 1st gear around 2k rpm the clutch will engage).

One problem with Mazda Skyactiv in foreign countries is their regular fuel is RON92, while Mazda Skyactiv engines runs at RON95, so their consumer needs to pump slightly more expensive RON95 premium fuel. Meanwhile, in Malaysia, our regular is RON95 (the RM1.95 ones), so it is well capable of running the new Mazda Skyactiv engines.

Maintenance wise, of course CX-5 will be slightly higher because it is a segment higher than HRV (it is like comparing City to Civic, of course Civic cost slightly more to maintain). The maintenance is comparable to CRV. The tyre itself can tell the difference in cost: 225/65R17 for CX-5 (bigger) vs. 215/60R16 for HRV (smaller).

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QUOTE(RicoT @ May 2 2015, 12:02 PM)
CX-5 should be compared to CR-V, and if in terms of space when comparing with HRV, CX-5 wins.

Weight wise, CX-5 1,522kg compare to HRV 1,249kg, that is about 273kg difference. So power-to-weight ratio CX-5 74.9kW/tonne vs HRV 84.1kW/tonne. What lost in power is gained in torque, so CX-5 will have decent acceleration as it has 200Nm compare to HRV 172Nm. Power is the one determining top speed (we won't be driving at top speed here in Malaysia, unlike in Germany Autobahn), so torque is a more comparison parameter since it determines whether a car can accelerate fast enough, CX-5 131.4Nm/tonne vs. HRV 137.7Nm/tonne (quite close).

FC wise, CX-5 have i-Stop which stops your engine when you are at a traffic light, while HRV doesn't has this kind of system. So it could be comparable in terms of FC (CX-5 2.0L vs. HRV 1.8L). As Mazda is implementing Skyactiv in their design which yield about 10% more fuel efficient than its predecessors with lower compression ratio engines, something similar to Honda i-VTEC. To my experience with Honda torque converter CVT vs. Mazda Skyactiv AT, Honda needs to rev up high to get the acceleration since the will be power losses through the torque converter and a peculiar not enough power feeling with CVT, while Mazda has a built-in clutch in the torque converter to transmit 100% power to the gearbox directly when enough speed is achieve (usually 1st gear around 2k rpm the clutch will engage).

One problem with Mazda Skyactiv in foreign countries is their regular fuel is RON92, while Mazda Skyactiv engines runs at RON95, so their consumer needs to pump slightly more expensive RON95 premium fuel. Meanwhile, in Malaysia, our regular is RON95 (the RM1.95 ones), so it is well capable of running the new Mazda Skyactiv engines.

Maintenance wise, of course CX-5 will be slightly higher because it is a segment higher than HRV (it is like comparing City to Civic, of course Civic cost slightly more to maintain). The maintenance is comparable to CRV. The tyre itself can tell the difference in cost: 225/65R17 for CX-5 (bigger) vs. 215/60R16 for HRV (smaller).
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very well written bro

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post May 2 2015, 01:40 PM

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No brainer, definitely the CX-5.
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post May 2 2015, 03:49 PM

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Cx 5 anytime and it looks alot better
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post May 2 2015, 04:46 PM

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2 things hold me back for cx-5 are windscreen quality which easy to crack and lower arm bush sound which quite loud
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post May 2 2015, 07:14 PM

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I have chosen CX-5 over HRV. No regrets.

If you have the budget, go for CX-5. HRV is similar class with CX-3.
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post May 2 2015, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(belltower @ May 2 2015, 07:14 PM)
I have chosen CX-5 over HRV.  No regrets.

If you have the budget,  go for CX-5. HRV is similar class with CX-3.
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Did you buy the GL mid spec model or high spec 2.0?
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post May 2 2015, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ May 2 2015, 12:02 PM)
CX-5 should be compared to CR-V, and if in terms of space when comparing with HRV, CX-5 wins.

Weight wise, CX-5 1,522kg compare to HRV 1,249kg, that is about 273kg difference. So power-to-weight ratio CX-5 74.9kW/tonne vs HRV 84.1kW/tonne. What lost in power is gained in torque, so CX-5 will have decent acceleration as it has 200Nm compare to HRV 172Nm. Power is the one determining top speed (we won't be driving at top speed here in Malaysia, unlike in Germany Autobahn), so torque is a more comparison parameter since it determines whether a car can accelerate fast enough, CX-5 131.4Nm/tonne vs. HRV 137.7Nm/tonne (quite close).

FC wise, CX-5 have i-Stop which stops your engine when you are at a traffic light, while HRV doesn't has this kind of system. So it could be comparable in terms of FC (CX-5 2.0L vs. HRV 1.8L). As Mazda is implementing Skyactiv in their design which yield about 10% more fuel efficient than its predecessors with lower compression ratio engines, something similar to Honda i-VTEC. To my experience with Honda torque converter CVT vs. Mazda Skyactiv AT, Honda needs to rev up high to get the acceleration since the will be power losses through the torque converter and a peculiar not enough power feeling with CVT, while Mazda has a built-in clutch in the torque converter to transmit 100% power to the gearbox directly when enough speed is achieve (usually 1st gear around 2k rpm the clutch will engage).

One problem with Mazda Skyactiv in foreign countries is their regular fuel is RON92, while Mazda Skyactiv engines runs at RON95, so their consumer needs to pump slightly more expensive RON95 premium fuel. Meanwhile, in Malaysia, our regular is RON95 (the RM1.95 ones), so it is well capable of running the new Mazda Skyactiv engines.

Maintenance wise, of course CX-5 will be slightly higher because it is a segment higher than HRV (it is like comparing City to Civic, of course Civic cost slightly more to maintain). The maintenance is comparable to CRV. The tyre itself can tell the difference in cost: 225/65R17 for CX-5 (bigger) vs. 215/60R16 for HRV (smaller).
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Good to know that CX-5 2.0L got I-Stop now.
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post May 2 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Vincy8925 @ May 2 2015, 07:20 PM)
Did you buy the GL mid spec model or high spec 2.0?
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Mid spec. So far so good. Am happy with the car despite it being CKD.
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post May 2 2015, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ May 2 2015, 12:02 PM)
CX-5 should be compared to CR-V, and if in terms of space when comparing with HRV, CX-5 wins.

Weight wise, CX-5 1,522kg compare to HRV 1,249kg, that is about 273kg difference. So power-to-weight ratio CX-5 74.9kW/tonne vs HRV 84.1kW/tonne. What lost in power is gained in torque, so CX-5 will have decent acceleration as it has 200Nm compare to HRV 172Nm. Power is the one determining top speed (we won't be driving at top speed here in Malaysia, unlike in Germany Autobahn), so torque is a more comparison parameter since it determines whether a car can accelerate fast enough, CX-5 131.4Nm/tonne vs. HRV 137.7Nm/tonne (quite close).

FC wise, CX-5 have i-Stop which stops your engine when you are at a traffic light, while HRV doesn't has this kind of system. So it could be comparable in terms of FC (CX-5 2.0L vs. HRV 1.8L) [only applicable to CBU unit, not CKD and CKD GL version (thanks cucubud for pointing it out)]. As Mazda is implementing Skyactiv in their design which yield about 10% more fuel efficient than its predecessors with lower compression ratio engines, something similar to Honda i-VTEC. To my experience with Honda torque converter CVT vs. Mazda Skyactiv AT, Honda needs to rev up high to get the acceleration since the will be power losses through the torque converter and a peculiar not enough power feeling with CVT, while Mazda has a built-in clutch in the torque converter to transmit 100% power to the gearbox directly when enough speed is achieve (usually 1st gear around 2k rpm the clutch will engage).

One problem with Mazda Skyactiv in foreign countries is their regular fuel is RON92, while Mazda Skyactiv engines runs at RON95, so their consumer needs to pump slightly more expensive RON95 premium fuel. Meanwhile, in Malaysia, our regular is RON95 (the RM1.95 ones), so it is well capable of running the new Mazda Skyactiv engines.

Maintenance wise, of course CX-5 will be slightly higher because it is a segment higher than HRV (it is like comparing City to Civic, of course Civic cost slightly more to maintain). The maintenance is comparable to CRV. The tyre itself can tell the difference in cost: 225/65R17 for CX-5 (bigger) vs. 215/60R16 for HRV (smaller).
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QUOTE(cucubud @ May 2 2015, 08:07 PM)
Good to know that CX-5 2.0L got I-Stop now.
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No, the new GL doesn't have i-Stop. Sorry for the confusion.
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post May 2 2015, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(belltower @ May 2 2015, 08:16 PM)
Mid spec.  So far so good.  Am happy with the car despite it being CKD.
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I've read reviews that the cx5 has loud tyre and road noises, is that true with your cx5? How is the NVH levels compared with HRV?
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QUOTE(Vincy8925 @ May 2 2015, 09:05 PM)
I've read reviews that the cx5 has loud tyre and road noises, is that true with your cx5? How is the NVH levels compared with HRV?
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It is the stock tire (Goodyear wrangler). Change mine to Michelin Tour HP. Tyre/road noise resolved. You should test drive HRV to compare. It's no where near.
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QUOTE(Vincy8925 @ May 2 2015, 10:44 AM)
Should I get a proper SUV, or a CUV instead? Boot space wise, horse power wise and fuel efficiency, Mazda leads with only Rm8k extra. I wouldn't mind living without keyless entry and Bi-xenon lamps though. Should I get the 2.0 Mazda CX5 GL (lowest spec) or 1.8 Honda HRV (V Spec)? Rm126k / Rm118k.
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If you have extra budget, go for CX-5, and you might need to consider the maintenance cost too.
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post May 5 2015, 12:23 AM

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after i checked the hrv, the quality just like local car...it really not worth for rm100k just because H brand...

yes, there is no mini SUV for RM100K but quite many ordered the high spec which cost around rm120k...just add rm10-20k can buy cx-5 or crv normal spec...the quality and space totally worth it...


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post May 5 2015, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ May 2 2015, 08:07 PM)
Good to know that CX-5 2.0L got I-Stop now.
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I-Stop got its own problems too.

Read this article
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QUOTE(Complexity @ May 5 2015, 02:39 AM)
I-Stop got its own problems too.

Read this article
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The special battery used is not a problem. It is expensive to replace only. tongue.gif
The Toyota Hybrid cars also use the special battery. I am not referring to the battery in the boot, I am referring to the battery next to the engine.

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