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Buying Car, loan vs cash
 
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cherroy
post Apr 27 2015, 11:29 AM

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2.9% car loan is higher than 4% FD.
or in other word
4% FD is not going to win against 2.9% car loan.

There is no loan out there can be cheaper than FD rate.
Banks do not make losing business.

Please know what is EIR (effective interest rate) of the car loan.

2.9% is flat term loan, which is not translated into 2.9% pa. straight.
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post May 7 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(3rdEdition @ May 7 2015, 12:06 PM)
After doing some research, i still get some profit from FD over car loan but not too sure whether is worth it. Hope all sifus can enlighten me if thinks otherwise and not bashing me unlike someone #supersound.
http://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...rest-calculator

from here (according to TS situation), i enter total loan of 35000, tenure of 5 years with 3% flat rate. Total payment is 40250 at EIR of 5.64% (i duno how they get this and how does it apply to get 40250)

so now, i used FD calculation site,
1. https://ringgitplus.com/en/fixed-deposit/
2. http://www.miniwebtool.com/fixed-deposit-c...est_frequency=0

On the 2nd site, again i enter 35000 with time period of 5 years at annual interest rate of 3.75% (simple interest - no compounding) and i get 41562.50 (same amount with ringgitplus site)

So FD maturity amount - total payment of car loan = 41562.50 - 40250.00 = 1312.5.

So from what I get, by taking car loan and invest the rest rm35k to FD, i earn rm1312.5 though not much but my point here is FD vs Car Loan interest.

And I would like to know how to get EIR p.a @ 5.64% and how does it apply because FD @ 3.75% beats the EIR @ 5.64%.

Again, I want to emphasize, this is what i get from my research, not to deny any opinions, purely for discussion and understanding.
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The calculation is totally wrong.

You do not have FD of 35000 for 5 years, the amount of FD is shrinking each month as you need to draw down the FD to pay the car loan.

The EIR already tell the story the exact calculation to compare with FD.

This post has been edited by cherroy: May 7 2015, 02:20 PM
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post May 7 2015, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(3rdEdition @ May 7 2015, 02:33 PM)
yes, pay for car loan every month for 5 years and only can get the FD maturity amount after 5 years. But the monthly payment can be paid using own income first and then after 5 years, getting back from FD maturity amount, earn some profit. Isn't that how it supposed to be? correct me if im wrong.

If divide 5 years interest rate for car loan and FD divided to monthly without calculating in the principal:

Car loan interest: 40250-35000=5250/60 months=RM87.50
FD interest: 41562.50-35000=6562.5/60months=RM109.375
i still dont get it lol...blur guy here. care to pm me and enlighten me a lil bit.
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If you are using own income to pay instead of FD, then it is not a direct comparison already.

The comparison is you have FD now to pay it by cash and no loan, vs taking loan and let the FD earn interest.

If you taking in own income to pay off the car loan repayment, you bring in addition money already, no longer 35000, it is more than that.
Mind that if your income is not being used to pay off the loan, the money will generate interest as well.
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post May 7 2015, 02:58 PM

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Still a lot of people don't know how to count EIR.

Banks won't do losing business, whatever loan out there, its interest rate or real interest rate or EIR surely will higher than what bank pay for FD.

You never win against bank by borrow money from them, and put in FD.

Banks take in FD to borrow you money, they won't let loan interest lower than FD, this is the most basic of doing business.
Banks earn profit through the difference between FD rate and loan interest rate.
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post May 7 2015, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ May 7 2015, 02:58 PM)
so my concept of calculation betul ma?
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Yup, the right way to count the FD interest earned is the FD amount keep on shrinking each month.

But I preferred to "scare off" people by showing the the last year real interest rate on HP.

100K 3% 5 years.

Each year interest is 3K

1st year 3K/100K = 3%
2nd year 3K /80k = 3.75% (already pay off 20K through monthly repayment)
3rd year 3K/60K = 5%
4th year 3k/40k = 7.5%
5th year 3K/20K = 15%.

See where bank earns the most profit? icon_idea.gif

That's why they can give lower rate if the tenure is longer.
Bank actually like borrower to drag even longer, they can earn even more.
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post May 7 2015, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 7 2015, 04:05 PM)
But what if say a person have rm50k cash, put fd at 4.2%/year. Fd will not be touch. Fd Interest remains the same every year.

He then take rm50k car loan at 3%/year for 5 year from another bank. He is going to pay the loan using deduction from monthly salary.

At the end of 5 years, he paid finish his loan. He withdraw fd with the interest, will he make a loss or make a profit?

Sorry. I am still blur
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You still lose, as your money cannot generate more than EIR of the loan.

As if your monthly salary doesn't be used to pay off the loan, it can generate some interest, which you didn't count the opportunity loss of it.

The only way to win against loan interest, is your money invested that can yield more than the loan EIR.
So if the car loan EIR is 5.2%, you need to find a investment that can generate more than the figure, if not, you lose out to the loan.

Stop thinking can win against bank loan interest by putting money in FD, it won't work, no matter how you turn the figure upside down. laugh.gif
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post May 7 2015, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 7 2015, 04:28 PM)
Because that is what I am planning to do in the future When I am working. If can save even a bit money, why not.

Take loan, and pay back the loan slowly and earn interest.

Isn't this like gen x's way of thinking with credit card. Put money into 1 month fd, use a credit card and at the end of 1 month, take out the fd and pay your credit card
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It is different with credit card, as credit card got 21 days interest free, loan doesn't.

Take HP is about improve your cashflow, not to earn interest.

Instead spend lump sum 50K into car, you have extra cash in hand, that can be used upon on other purposes. It is not to "earn" interest in FD.

If count to details, one is always better off with lump sum 50k pay in cash and no loan. No FD can win against loan interest one.
But when any contingency issue arised, you have no money which you may face cashflow problem, that's where you need a HP even though have money to pay off by cash.


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post May 7 2015, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 7 2015, 04:37 PM)
So if one is rich enough, can one actually use a credit card to buy a car?
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1. Car company won't accept credit card payment (may be except downpayment which I don't quite sure about it).
Imagine bank charge 2% on the payment, 50K x 2% = 1k, Car company earn less 1K.

2. You need to clear the credit card loan by 21 days, if not interest charging on your outstanding, which can up to double digit. You can only "earn" 21 days, then need to clear off the outstanding amount.

 

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