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post Sep 24 2018, 03:26 PM

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guys a noob question here, if we use a mix of aqara and sonoff switches can we linked them together to google home?
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post Sep 25 2018, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Sep 24 2018, 04:22 PM)
You mean for aqara switch only?
There's already mihome skill now so you could just group the aqara and sonoff switch together
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ok cool rclxms.gif

also aqara switches doesn't need N line right? that's the main difference between sonoff and aqara right?
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post Sep 25 2018, 08:09 PM

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Guys this is the wiring for my water pump, may i know which is Neutral? a bit confused since there is 4 wires instead of the normal 3.

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post Sep 26 2018, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 26 2018, 07:52 AM)
This is I believe a 20A switch point like for water heater or in this case water pump.

The switch is double pole single throw DPST. See diagram:

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Normally the pole side is connected to L and N wires. The other connections are to the pump/heater L and N connections. This switch isolate bother L and N wire when in OFF position.
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hi thanks for your clarification, so in my case if i want to turn it "smart", which smart switch should i use?
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(kelembai @ Sep 26 2018, 08:24 PM)
you need to tell the sifus what you want to do?
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i want to be able to turn on/off the water pump remotely, set a schedule for when to turn it on/off, and maybe in future link it to a motion sensor to turn on the pump when someone is in the bathroom, and turn it off 5 mins after when there's no motion detected.
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post Sep 27 2018, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Sep 27 2018, 09:56 AM)
As Zot pointed out, 20A wifi switch are not cheap.
If your water pump use less than 16A, can consider use Sonoff POW or TH16.
Pair it with a Sonoff PIR sensor and RF bridge and you can complete your automation.
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my water pump is 1.5hp grundfos multi stage pump, so i think it uses lesser than 20A. If i get a Sonoff POW how do i wire them to the sonoff? since my switch have 4 cables. this is how my existing switch looks like.

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Is the black wire neutral and yellow wire live?

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post Sep 28 2018, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Sep 27 2018, 09:26 PM)
Connect the POW to your water pump. Don't need to change the switch.



Use a test pen to check which wire is live wire. Best educated guess is yellow.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 27 2018, 10:00 PM)
Malaysia uses:
L Wire
Red
Yellow
Blue

N Wire
Black

1 phase wiring can be Red or Yellow or Blue. 3 phase uses all these colors as L wire.

Like Fubar20 said no need to replace the switch because POW is not a wall switch replacement. The switch will always be on to the POW and POW is actually switching the pump.

A 1.5 HP motor would require a maximum of 1118.55 watts. So, 1118.55W/240V = 4.66A current only. So, no problem to use the Sonoff POW
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thanks for all the detailed suggestion guys, really appreciate it. But my water pump is on the roof of my house, and it is situated in a sheltered area but heavy rain water may get to the water pump area. and i'm not too sure about the wifi signal there. my second problem is my mum doesn't know how to turn on the water pump using the app, so that's why im considering the smart switch instead because she can use the switch to turn on the water pump whereas the rest of us can control the water pump on the app. Since my water pump only uses roughly 5amps, means i can use sonoff t1 switch right?

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post Sep 29 2018, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 28 2018, 09:38 PM)
Don't quite understand your situation
Why do you need a smart switch for the water pump? Normally the pump switch is left turn on all the time.
It has a buildin pressure switch and the pump doesnt run until you turn on a tap.
Dont tell me every each time you want to use water you will turn on the switch for the pump?
Your pump will say bye bye in no time..... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 28 2018, 09:39 PM)
Didn't your water pump auto-triggered by pressure?
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QUOTE(kelembai @ Sep 28 2018, 09:50 PM)
probably he think he can switch on and off  like water heater. I saw a guy put sonoff basic at water pump and use schedule, don't know why maybe want to save some electric bill, I guess
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 28 2018, 09:57 PM)
Because his pipes are leaking a bit so it turns on the pump.
That’s why he uses a sonoff to turn it off at night. But the basic is only 10amps. I would rather use the higher 16a just to be sure.

Hows your bathroom lights? Got turn off while taking shower?  laugh.gif
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I live in a old house, and water pipe is leaking. So to prevent water from leaking we turn on the pump only when we are using the bathroom, turn it off when not in use. The cost to repipe the house cost a lot of money, so by automating the water pump with smart switch, save us a lot of hassle of turning on and off the pump manually.
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post Sep 29 2018, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Sep 28 2018, 10:17 PM)
Sonoff T1 max is only 2A per gang.
Since you still want a manual switch, maybe can consider Sonoff RF with RF wall switch
Sonoff RF
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Hi, this may be just what i needed. I can give my mum the remote while the rest of us can turn on/off the pump using the app. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 29 2018, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Sep 29 2018, 10:30 AM)
smile.gif Please try and let us know. I forget to put in the link with the RF wall switch.

Sonoff RF with RF wall switch
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this is essentially same like having a rf remote control right? just that it is a rf wall switch instead. Is it battery powered and can be mounted everywhere?

QUOTE(kelembai @ Sep 29 2018, 10:57 AM)
Like some one suggest pair it with PIR sensor and RF bridge, it will  be fully auto, no need to give remote to your mum.
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PIR sensor is connected through wifi isn't it? what's the usage of the RD bridge?
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post Sep 29 2018, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 29 2018, 12:18 PM)
Cannot trace the leak location? Wall don't get damp?  hmm.gif
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Water leak mostly on the roof, wall pipe leak happened before and have to hack the wall to repair the piping, the leak happens very frequently like once every 3 months.
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post Oct 15 2018, 10:05 PM

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guys this switch is for my water heater. it uses 10 AMP and want to know which sonoff switch is suitable since this only have 2 live wires and 1 neutral?

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post Oct 15 2018, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(luvox @ Oct 15 2018, 09:09 PM)
Ur water heater is how much wattage?
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i measure with a amp meter, max amp is 10A
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post Oct 16 2018, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 16 2018, 07:07 AM)
Looks like this power point is just an add-on installation by someone probably self educated technician. He is using the switch with pilot light, which I believe a 20A switch but tap to share power from another line. Normally, house developer will spare a dedicated line for the heater and isolate both L and N wires. This person tap L and N from other lines.

Do you know where the neutral comes from? Was that a 3-pin socket next tot he switch?

If your heater spec is 3kW (normally for instant water heater), then a 10A switch will not be adequate.
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im running on solar heater, this switch is to turn on and off the heating for solar i think.

QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 16 2018, 08:30 AM)
Very Risky. I don't see the sonoff can be run on high amp continues. 

Why you want a sonoff on the water heater ?
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normally we only use the heater between 6pm-12pm, so just thought of automating this instead of having to turn on and off everyday.

QUOTE(kelembai @ Oct 16 2018, 08:50 AM)
Water heater no need automation mehhh, only use 1 or 2 time a day. Maybe can use solar water heater, no need switch, it auto when you open your shower
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i am currently on solar heater, this switch is to turn on and off the heating. during hot days dont have to turn on this switch, but rainy days need to turn it on for hot shower. solar system auto on when shower?
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post Oct 16 2018, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 16 2018, 11:47 AM)
You can use the sonoff by additional SSR to control the heater. This is the safest way.
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What's a SSR?
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post Oct 17 2018, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 16 2018, 07:07 AM)
Looks like this power point is just an add-on installation by someone probably self educated technician. He is using the switch with pilot light, which I believe a 20A switch but tap to share power from another line. Normally, house developer will spare a dedicated line for the heater and isolate both L and N wires. This person tap L and N from other lines.

Do you know where the neutral comes from? Was that a 3-pin socket next tot he switch?

If your heater spec is 3kW (normally for instant water heater), then a 10A switch will not be adequate.
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i dont know where the neutral comes from, from the image, the black wire is neutral right? and the 2 blue wire is live. If i use sonoff pow, can i just wire one live wire and for the load side, i connect both live and neutral? will the switch work like that?
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post Oct 18 2018, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 17 2018, 09:30 AM)
On the input side yes, but I think on the output one, not necessarily. In this case, the L and N is connected on the input side, On the output, just use the L connection to the heater, the N at the heater is already connected somewhere. Otherwise existing wiring will not work. Am I right?
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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 17 2018, 10:46 AM)
Well, schematic shows that the Sonoff POW is using SPDT relay (1 Form C). I believe if the the N on the output is not used, the Sonoff will lose its ability to sense load current thus not able to measure current consumption. My presumption is that it should still work to replace the heater wall switch.
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thanks for your suggestion Zot, I will use sonoff POW and wire only L for load, and neutral and L for input side.

Also thanks to this thread i've successfully installed a Sonoff RF to my water pump. I've used the loop timer to turn off the water pump automatically after 20mins, but sometimes it'll turn the pump off within 2-3 mins of the pump running. Anyone facing this issue and possible way to rectify it?
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post Oct 19 2018, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 18 2018, 02:46 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif


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yeah i setup the loop timer as per this video, i've set it to turn off after 20 mins but sometimes itll turn off randomly in 3-4 mins which is way earlier than the 20 mins set.

QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 18 2018, 03:28 PM)
Now I'm thinking of how smart the sonoff is. Are you able to see any measurement on current consumption? I suspect that the sonoff is turning itself off when sensing no load because the N is not used  doh.gif  I'm not sure but could be the possibility  hmm.gif
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im using sonoff rf for my water pump, for my water pump N is used.
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post Oct 22 2018, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 19 2018, 02:56 PM)
I guess they turn off themselves because they are smart  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 19 2018, 03:40 PM)
No idea what could be the problem but since you said it only sometimes happen then take note when it happens.
laugh.gif They can squeeze A.I. into the Sonoff?
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I've figured out the problem. Sonoff doesnt support automatically turning off a switch whenever it is turn on by any means. the loop timer is not smart, it just creates a loop and that's it. I guess i need a home assistant to do the automatically turn off after certain minutes whenever a switch is turn on.


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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 22 2018, 11:21 AM)
confused.gif What do you mean? It switch on and off repeatedly? Sorry but I ditch Ewelink app few months back.  biggrin.gif
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yes because it just follows the loop. but what i want is for the device to turn off automatically after 20mins. so what app are you using now?

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