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post Sep 10 2023, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Sep 10 2023, 10:49 AM)
Budget wise, this one with tuya homekit hub and use homekit controller
Since you can’t pair with z2m or zha
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Thanks for the link. Spent whole day yesterday finding the cheapest tuya compatible zigbee door lock. And you managed to find a cheaper one smile.gif

Anyone have experience using zigbee generic doorlock in the link?

Most review and the one on sale I found was on the Bluetooth and WiFi version
WiFi model cons that I get to know based on googling:
Battery hungry?

Bluetooth model:
Not able to integrate with Google assistant


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post Oct 13 2023, 09:22 PM

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Hi all, I have recently purchased MOES switch. And I used the 2 gang to connect to my room's fan and LED downlight. I also put the same setup to the other room. Funny thing was, when I adjust the fan speed using the manual rotary regulator, both rooms led light flickers.is there any way to rectify this? Thanks!

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post Oct 13 2023, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 13 2023, 09:24 PM)
Capacitor installed on 1st gang/fan?
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Forgot to add. It was a zigbee MOES smart switch with no neutral required. In the ad also said no cap needed. I try connect neutral and remove also same result.
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post Oct 14 2023, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 13 2023, 09:36 PM)
if not mistaken, without neutral, you should install LED (not CFL)  light on 1st switch, with capacitor bypass. Fan cannot be first.

and make sure your capacitor connect to Live before in enters device, and connect to Neutral after device. The Neutral is expected to be alive yaaa, not disconnected.
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I have swapped the 1st switch to be led and 2nd to be fan. Still encountered the same issue. One thing to note, when I turn on both fan and light, no flickering observed when changing fan speed. I also observed the same issue at my different house.

https://youtu.be/P5ofx-dRTbM?si=fnToaUuMrjceLTUp

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post Oct 14 2023, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 14 2023, 10:04 AM)
if flickers, that means there is residual energy (from the smart switch operating itself) still reaching your 1st device. no other reason and you have to t/shoot around this. the flickering is because that energy need to be expended by the device itself as it have no way to dissipate it otherwise.

that's why you either
• have the switch direct into Neutral, or
• have a capacitor collect before it reaches device, and then release it off by skipping the device.

you use capacitor, right? replace your capacitor on 1st' path. it might be a dud or already faulty.

if you have Neutral connected direct to the switch, check back that Neutral's path really connected all the way back to MCB.

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looking at the vid, maybe it has something to do with you having a fan with that type of speed control. as the energy on 2nd is "disturbed" "slower"/"faster" as you change speed, un..controlled excess goes out via 1st, and more than what capacitor can absorb in short time, so most of the excess reaches your 1st device.
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I'll probably will try to add capacitor on the incoming live so that it'll even out the fluctuation. Weird since the switch didn't specify any capacitor requirement. Anyone have the same config as mine?

Switch: Moes 2 gang zigbee switch
Fan : mistral/kdk 5 speed fan with rotary regulator (connected at L2)
Led: ledvance 12W 3000K (connected at L1)
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post Oct 15 2023, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Oct 14 2023, 05:50 PM)
he is using old school fans, i long time didnt see those fan speed adjuster.

on another note, his fan Amp might exceeded the switch or capacitor capacity.
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The inductive load for the fan is 80w. Lower than the switch specs which is 300w. Probably the switching trigger some spike in the live line. When I used rotary drill in my house, the lights will also flicker randomly if light was at OFF state. sad.gif

Bad thing about this type of fan speed adjuster, when you switch the speed, you can hear some spark noise coming from the inside especially if you turn it slowly. And this is by design as the knob disconnect and rotate to another circuit.

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post Oct 15 2023, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 14 2023, 12:31 PM)
all switch, regardless number of gangs, have a "hidden" user.

A switch with it's own N connector behind
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L --> "smart's logic board" --> N
  --> sw1 --> L1 --> device --> N
  --> sw2 --> L2 --> device --> N


A switch that does not have dedicated N connector behind, will share L1 with sw1's. In this case you need to have capacitor for L1 to bypass device straight to N.
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L --> "smart's logic board" --> L1
              L1 --> capacitor --> N
  --> sw1 --> L1 --> device -----> N
  --> sw2 --> L2 --> device -----> N


i suspect the fan changing speed affected the logic board, thus excess leak to the shared L1
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Thanks for the explanation. I am aware of the latent consumption from the logic board. I just received feedback from MOES that this switch is not recommended for fan which doesn't make sense rclxub.gif sweat.gif. Anyway, I'll install one cap for the light and see whether the issue persist. In theory, it should smooth out the sudden fluctuation of the supply (fan inductive load).
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post Oct 16 2024, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jul 26 2024, 01:31 AM)
1 year since moved in to my house, which is running full stock Tuya setup on Smart Life app connected to Google Home. Happy to report all components are still working fine so far.

1 x 4" smart panel with Zigbee hub
14 x Zigbee smart switches (by Moes)
3 x smart curtains (on wifi)
1x smart lock (on wifi)
1x CCTV (on wifi)

Only few things I'm not really happy about -

i) The smart lock doesn't record any exit events, only entry. So if you want to do some exit automation like switch off all the lights etc you have to figure out a workaround instead of relying on the lock. I just setup a tap-to-run automation and assign it as shortcut on the 4" panel. Or I just use Google Assistant.

ii) The CCTV doesn't reconnect to wifi if its disconnected from it. Lets say your wifi have issues or you just restarted your router, even if its up later the CCTV will remain disconnected. Have to force reboot it only will reconnect, and there's no way to reboot from the app

iii) Just realised this recently but I should've bought a standalone Zigbee hub instead of relying on the smart panel. If anything goes wrong its easier to replace compared to the smart panel. But so far still working fine... touch wood

That's all that I could think about. Haven't really dwell any deeper into the functionalities other than basic ones like scheduled turn on/off. Recently just added a temperature + humidity sensor and a scene switch. Thinking off getting some presence sensors to play around next maybe.

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I saw you are using 3 gang Moes smart switches from the pic. I am currently using the same unit but I have problem where LED light will flicker whenever I adjust the fan speed (old school rotary knob regulator). When I use inductive device (i.e., drill, blender) it will also cause flickering to all LED light that uses this smart switches even light at the other room rclxub.gif Since you are using 14 switches, is this happening to you? This behaviour is happening in 2 different houses (one with neutral connected, one without)
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post Oct 17 2024, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(eagle7 @ Oct 17 2024, 12:15 PM)
I think your problem is not with the smart switch but with the AC (Alternative Current) noise from your inductive load.

You either change the LED light to one with better handling of EMI or install EMI filter.

Like this, which is more effective but may post a challenge to you. 

Other option will be Ferrite core like this one .

It will suppress any AC noise to certain degree.
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Thanks. But LED light will only flicker if it is in off state. If it was on, it will not flicker. I have tried adding capacitor in parallel with the LED but to no avail. I suspect the noise from the load is enough to pass through the switch and activate it for a short burst. Seeing my switch is solid state instead of relay based, it won't take much to trigger it.
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post Oct 31 2024, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(eagle7 @ Oct 17 2024, 04:29 PM)
If you're noticing that the LED light flickers when it's turned off and your wall smart switch uses a solid-state relay instead of a mechanical one, I suspect that the solid-state relay's optocoupler is sensitive to the incoming AC noise. To reduce this noise, you could try replacing the electrolytic capacitor on the secondary side with a solid-state capacitor , which offers better ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance) and improved noise suppression.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 27 2024, 10:52 PM)
i might just encounter my first smart switch issue.... actually not sure is it the smart switch, wiring or the light itself

I have a downlight at my balcony controlled by a single gang zigbee smart switch, been using fine for 1 year+. today when I try to off it, the switch shows off (LED indicator is off and in app status is off as well) but the light continues to be on and its flickering slightly. What's the problem? I suspect it might not be the switch since it seems to still have control and the status are all correct?
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I just had another incident with 3 of my smart switches. One 2 gang and the other were 3 gangs switches. MOES Zigbee smart switch.
1. The 2 gang gave out a black smoke and both devices are in OFF state upon failure
2. The 3 gangs both have blown caps and devices that are being controlled remained in ON state after despite blue LED is off (live in leaked into live out) rclxub.gifrclxub.gifrclxub.gif

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Now comes the question, is there any sirim certified smart switch available? If we purchase house insurance, will they check the switches we use (sirim/ce certified...)?

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post Nov 1 2024, 06:24 AM

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QUOTE(Max @ Oct 31 2024, 11:08 PM)
Looks like the switches using transistor/mosfet for switching load.
Do u happen to wired it for ceiling fan?
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Yes. Got 1 ceiling fan connected to every switch. Inductive load no good for thus switch?
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post Sep 24 2025, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Dweller @ Oct 31 2024, 09:35 PM)
I just had another incident with 3 of my smart switches. One 2 gang and the other were 3 gangs switches. MOES Zigbee smart switch.
1. The 2 gang gave out a black smoke and both devices are in OFF state upon failure
2. The 3 gangs both have blown caps and devices that are being controlled remained in ON state after despite blue LED is off (live in leaked into live out) rclxub.gifrclxub.gifrclxub.gif

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Now comes the question, is there any sirim certified smart switch available? If we purchase house insurance, will they check the switches we use (sirim/ce certified...)?
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Two more of my MOES Zigbee smart switch kaput after just 3 years of use (failed just shy of 4 months of each other). sad.gif This time it was installed at a different house. I guess no more MOES switch for me. Any suggestion on safer SIRIM/St approved Zigbee smart switch?

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post Sep 24 2025, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Sep 24 2025, 07:11 PM)
Aqara! still working fine after 7 years
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Sep 24 2025, 07:31 PM)
I got some moes switch, but different pcb design of course than this one. Still working fine till now
But even my other tuya switches, never to this extend damaged (normally some faulty capacitor needs replacement)
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5 out of my 8 switch modules kaput. Majority due to caps blown. But this time around not sure why. Looks like trace burnt out hmm.gif

 

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