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post Sep 26 2021, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Sep 26 2021, 07:25 AM)
I have this Tuya 2 gang wifi switch with no neutral.
(https://shopee.com.my/'IN-Stock'-1-2-3-gang-TUYA-WiFi-Smart-Touch-Switch-220-240V-Home-Wall-Button-for-Alexa-and-Google-Home-Assistant-EU-Standard-%E2%98%85ET-i.291050990.5749565656?position=29)
Wifi signal is very strong -55dBm.

I connect the capacitor to L1 light, but when I turn on L1 switch, after about 1-2 hours, the wifi switch went offline, but the L1 light still turn on. I press manually the L1 switch but it didn't response. So I have to go to my DB box to turn off and then on the MCB then the wifi switch is back online.

Is this the symptom of the capacitor is spoiled already?
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The bypass capacitor value depends on how much the current required by the load, the WiFi module in this case.

What I think happened in this case is that the charge in supply capacitor inside the module gets depleted faster than charge being supplied by the bypass capacitor thus deactivate the WiFi. I suggested that you use a slightly higher value.

I wonder if they tell you what is the capacitor value to be used since it is not supplied with the product. hmm.gif
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post Sep 28 2021, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Sep 28 2021, 08:23 AM)
Nope, I disagree. Smart devices actually make me even smarter.
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People have to be smarter to create such device. It is programmed by human also. So, the smart device is not really accurate to describe those devices laugh.gif

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post Sep 30 2021, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(XweienX @ Sep 30 2021, 01:46 PM)
ooops, just had a clear look. You're right! They're not smart! stupid shopee ads pushing these switches even when search for smart switch!  mad.gif
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Seller is smarter than switch and you laugh.gif
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post Sep 30 2021, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Sep 30 2021, 03:04 PM)
Will smart wifi swtich with no neutral that uses capacitor will cause high electricity bill or not?
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It could not be more than the one with N wire. wink.gif
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post Oct 6 2021, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Oct 6 2021, 10:19 AM)
Better make up your mind fast before the 10.10 sales is coming...hehe
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Not much difference anyway. Some items go cheaper after 10/10. Some stay same prices.

Problem during sales is couriers sent wrong planets, lost, wrong orders laugh.gif
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post Oct 13 2021, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Oct 13 2021, 08:08 AM)
Bought the new PCB board and replaced it.
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Yes, intermittent like that is very likely due to faulty board because logic voltage leakage in circuitry.
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post Oct 14 2021, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 14 2021, 04:16 PM)
Interest?

SONOFF NSPanel
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Crowd funding?
Put everything in a basket? smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2021, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(idkihavenoidealol @ Oct 28 2021, 11:07 AM)
What if I wish to place a wifi light switch next to AC switch? Can I connect the neutral to the AC switch's neutral? Any cons in this?
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If your house is single phase no problem but if 3-phase might not work.
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post Oct 29 2021, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(idkihavenoidealol @ Oct 29 2021, 08:42 AM)
Aw man, my condo is using 3 phase. So I have to either install a capacitor type or ask electrician pull a new neutral for me, correct?
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Not necessarily. If the L and the N from same phase , should be working ok. If N from other phase might not work but depends on how the wiring I believe. If each phase is on RCD type breaker, then it may not work because imbalance between L and N (current go out from L and return through N not balance because measuring different circuit). Can try first.
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post Nov 12 2021, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Nov 12 2021, 03:18 PM)
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hmm.gif Sure or not? My Tuya Zigbee wall switch no use neutral but is acting like a repeater/router, no?
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I think to have or not to have N depends on if the power generated is enough for that module to operate without N. If not, the design require N.
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post Nov 18 2021, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(wailing81 @ Nov 18 2021, 09:22 AM)
I had the same condition.

My D1 3 gang melted.
I smelled burnt smell then only discovered it was melted inside. luckily no fire caught.

so far only 1 giving problem. if you can feel heat on your switch, better check the internal part.
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What is the switch rating and what is load like?
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post Nov 22 2021, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(wailing81 @ Nov 20 2021, 12:16 PM)
err. not sure about switch rating. i had this 3 gangs all around the house but only 1 had issue.
it was only connecting to 1 ceiling fan and 1 exhaust fan. extra one unused. in future might program it to do other function.
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Looks like that switch cannot handle kickback voltage when switching off or the current surge during power on from the fan. The lamp is simple resistive load unlike inductive load (motor). sad.gif
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post Nov 22 2021, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(wailing81 @ Nov 22 2021, 09:20 AM)
the weird thing it did not fried immediately.
It still blinking red where i thought it didn't connected to the hub.
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During power off, inductive load such as motor winding will create voltage spike during power off. This probably damaged the electronic components in the switch. The fan probably did not have good snubber circuit to suppress the spike and so does the switch.
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post Nov 25 2021, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ Nov 24 2021, 06:57 PM)
This? but the no neutral need capacitor iinm.
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What a fuss having or not having capacitor? I thought in Malaysia most house has no N at switch. hmm.gif
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post Nov 25 2021, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(wailing81 @ Nov 25 2021, 09:04 AM)
for those who renovating, they can prepare neutral for every point.
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Most contractor after cut through cement plaster will do bad job plastering it back. Those house with trunking maybe lucky if can just pull additional wire.
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post Nov 25 2021, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Nov 25 2021, 10:11 AM)
I think you can still diy by just going up the ceiling and just pulling the neutral wire to the switch. That’s what my father in law (retired tnb staff) taught me, easier than expected
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If you don't mind having wire trunk on surface, then no problem. N wires are looped on ceiling instead of at switch to save cost since it is not a requirement in Malaysia unlike certain countries.
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post Dec 1 2021, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 1 2021, 09:30 AM)
Yes, I’ve ruled out coverage because the router and raspberry pi (with zigbee coordinator) is just outside my room. Full 2.4ghz and 5ghz signal also

I’ve got zigbee door sensor & motion sensor in the bathroom also (where the 20a switch is installed) and detected just fine. Right next to the 20a switch is a sonoff wifi module 2 way switch and still online (this one no neutral, using capacitor type)
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The zigbee 20A switch is same brand with others? hmm.gif
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post Dec 6 2021, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 5 2021, 06:09 PM)
I gave up and just reinstall back old switch + magic switcbot installed. Installed the  zigbee switch for another 20a (aircon) also in same room and wifi 20a switch in another bathroom. Both still working fine and no disconnection since the past week

I suspect it could be wiring but I’m just gonna stop there and stop headache over this 😬
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I don't thing it has anything to do with wiring. Perhaps the orientation of the switch due to its location. This affect signal polarity thus affect reception of signal.
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post Dec 14 2021, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(ee7han @ Dec 14 2021, 04:11 PM)
For switches that require N line: anyone of you tapped neutral wire from 20A point / power plug outlet that are installed beside light switches? If so, how did you do it? Do you simply just loop a new wire across?

After tapping, does the 20A point / power outlet need to always be switched on to supply power to the smart switch?

Edit: another question, what's the maximum number of switches can I tap for a single 20A point? The N line should not draw that much power, right?
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The 20A switch to air-cond or water heater by rule is only single point direct to 20A MCB. So, the limit is the MCB rating there. How many light switch can tapped? No simple answer.

The N wire is the return current flow path from load. If there is 10A current flow through L to the load, then the same 20A current return to the MCB through N wire. If your 20A switch already is carrying max 20A already, then any more load added will trip the MCB. You do not need to on the switch if you tap the N side that enter the switch, not the N after the switch.

There are conditions:
If the 20A circuit is going through RCCB, then tapping the N wire the the 20A circuit will trip the RCCB.
If your house is 3 phase wiring and the N you are tapping is from another phase, it may not work.


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post Jan 7 2022, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 6 2022, 05:58 PM)
Hi bro, first time to install the dimmer switch
How to identify which wire from the old dimmer ya? (For G, N, L, L1)

Do normal dimmers usually need neutral or ground?
Saw some dimmer installation videos and seems like just need L in and L out.

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I think depends on type of dimmer. The more common one use triac. Just require series connection like you mentioned. It can be leading or trailing edge dimmer. Work with some LED but mostly don't. The trailing type a bit more expensive and more compatible with LED. They only work for resistive load only. The PWM dimmer need separate power to operate. This may require N usually.

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