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post Apr 28 2020, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Max @ Apr 28 2020, 10:40 PM)
Might be coz of motor induction loads..it have some effect on the switching components inside the switch.🤔
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Maybe it was just bad luck or the circuitry which cannot ramove noisy spikes which I think should not be.

The ceiling fan power normally less than 100W, probably around 75W perhaps. I've been using a touch switch probably china cap ayam but it is still fine for no less than 5 years already. Been through power trip even lightning that tripped house circuit breaker The only thing that was not working is the switch light. That became bad after around a year after installation laugh.gif

However, it is still working just fine even though my ceiling fan board became bad once wink.gif
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post Apr 30 2020, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(nabilishes @ Apr 29 2020, 11:59 PM)
Is this it? i found two types, but dont know which one is suitable.
Type 1 <--i know this rating is not what im looking for.
Type2
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Type 1 is switching power supply (mentioned there) like those used in PC. You don't need that high power rating right?

Since you just need Type 2. The power adapter you have most likely use the same board like Type 2 there.
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post May 17 2020, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ May 17 2020, 09:00 AM)
Sorry but still learning abt smart home, is there a non capacitor type for non neutral?
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Capacitor is optional, Install only if required under certain condition.
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post May 17 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ May 16 2020, 09:46 PM)
Keep reading online about no neutral very fast rosak or worst can rosak the LEDs

https://passionhome.sg/product/aqara-wall-s...-wire-required/

If cant use with starter means my L BOX kalimantang light cant automate dy right using the no neutral switch? sad.gif

Have a weird setup of eco dot + xiaomi hub now. The first recently found from my stash. Never knew i had it. Planning to base my setup on the alexa now. Starting with smart plugs and planning for the switches as a cheap way to start. But paused on the switches due to the reliabilit issues

Incoming items are
1) broadlink RM pro (for aircond and fan)
2) smart life plugs (for lights)
3) xiaomi LED strip
4) xiaomi bedlamp

The switch will make it perfect (lights control)
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No problem using florescent type with no neutral switch. In fact, you need starter to make traditional florescent light to work as far as I know.
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post May 17 2020, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 17 2020, 12:17 PM)

You got use smart switch meh?  whistling.gif
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Yes you know I only have dumb switch laugh.gif,

There are smart switch that can work with florescent, but that would be different one that most of you are using here.
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post May 19 2020, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(adamw @ May 18 2020, 05:23 PM)
Tuya Smart Lawn Mover
Any guinea pig want to try? tongue.gif

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Doesn't look like it is cutting anything much. Just strolling around laugh.gif
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post May 19 2020, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(TheLegend27 @ May 19 2020, 09:45 AM)
maybe that is anti-flash module??? normal smart switch that require neutral, just add the "anti-flash module" then even no neutral also can work??

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/jiuch-ew...2434598276.html?
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The switch in your link is a switch that require no N.

Whatever they called it, the anti-flash module shown is actually a capacitor. The name sound more technical and the device must be expensive than saying 60 sen capacitor perhaps biggrin.gif


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post May 19 2020, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(adamw @ May 19 2020, 10:37 AM)
I just have a talk with my Zigbee no neutral supplier. He says he don't do wifi no neutral. Don't know how true is it since some of you been using more than a year no issues or this issues only affect Tuya's module.

Jeff:Wifi module's Power consumption is higher than ZIGBEE module

Jeff:许多人为了节省成本,采用增加大电容的方式来解决单火取电的问题,

Jeff:In order to save costs, many people use large capacitors to solve the problem of single-fire power supply.

Jeff:The reverse current of some lamps is very large instantly, and the capacitor is destroyed at once.

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As Fubar20 said, the WiFi module need more power, thus as far as he knew the single wire (no N) WiFi switch has capacitor. I believe the capacitor supplied with the switch is calculated to operate with that switch. So, I wonder why Jeff come with statement In order to save costs, many people use large capacitors to solve the problem of single-fire power supply. The switch should come with capacitor already. I misunderstood something?

Usually lamp especially LED would not have this reverse current. I think he was referring to kick back voltage when switching of inductive load like fan or something with motor. Normally capacitor used has voltage rating of 600V or at least twice the supply voltage.
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post May 19 2020, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(TheLegend27 @ May 19 2020, 01:35 PM)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZM3CBHP/ref=...ding=UTF8&psc=1

actually i want this switch. but cannot find from local 1? or similar type.

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Have you look into this? Using BT and no hub/Router required?.

At least from this region laugh.gif

https://www.yoswit.com/products/lighting-sw...118-2-gang.html

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post May 19 2020, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ May 19 2020, 07:03 PM)
Yup, i got the switches from this seller, the capacitors came with the switches. Is this a typical capacitor that can get fr Jln Pasar?
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Yes, this capacitor is common and can be found in most electronics shops.

For application like this you must use safety capacitor. There are class X and class Y. Class X is meant to be connected between L and N and the Class Y is meant for connection between L to GND and/or N to GND. In this case you need Class X, usually printed on it. Use Class X2 type is enough. Normally it is non-polarize polyester type.

The link provided showed 0.22uF 500V. I found it is Polypropylene Film Capacitor with ENEC10 rating which I think qualify as Class X.
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post May 20 2020, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ May 19 2020, 11:56 PM)
Ok thanks bro, and what should I ask if I were looking for this particular capacitor?
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Just ask for 0.22µF 500V (or above) non-polarized capacitor. A tolerance of 5 or 10% will do.

Ask if they know about Class X or Y capacitor. Many probably not know but you normally can check on body marking. Mine one is printed X2 (Meaning Class X and subclass X2). If you only find Class Y than it is okay also. Class Y can be use to replace Class X. Class Y is more robust.

If not mistaken the Class X once failed will short and cause fuse blown (or MCB, in this case, tripped). This prevent electrical supply to continue supplying faulty device which prevent possible fire, etc. If you cannot find Class X, normal capacitor with same value still work, less safety portion.

I don't have smart switch but just normal touch switch. In my case 0.1µF is sufficient. The 0.22µF will supply more current to the switch which is required by the WiFi module.

Note: FYI -- Do not use Class X to for Class Y. Class Y is designed to failed open circuit.
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post May 20 2020, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 20 2020, 09:16 AM)
the cap does not supply voltage to the switch

Skip to 22:00 and 7:40


watch the whole video to understand more details
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Yes, but what is your point?

The capacitor in this AC circuit acts as a reactance:

Total Impedance Z = R + Xc = 0 + Xc (The R = 0 in ideal capacitor). So,

Z = Xc = 1/jωC

in which you can see in his calculation gave about 795Ω reactance value with 4µF capacitor.

For 0.22µF capacitor, the reactance value is:

Z = 1/j(314.16 x 0.00000022) ≈ 14.5kΩ.

So, the current flow through capacitor is 240/14.5 ≈ 16.6mA. This is the amount of current passed through capacitor to power smart switch.
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QUOTE(cablesguy @ May 20 2020, 10:36 AM)
Ok thanks, I'll try to understand 😁.

One question tho, assuming 3 gang no neutral with capacitor switch, can use on any gang right? L1, L2, or L3 or only L1?
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Should be any line. Just to leak current to the switch to power the switch circuitry as far as I know at least on my dumb touch switch. Maybe expert can advise better blush.gif
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post May 20 2020, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Max @ May 20 2020, 11:05 AM)
Most probably L1 on previous switch. usually got note on the manual/diagram to use cap on L1.
newest 1 dunno..  hmm.gif
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Can 3 way smart switch has separate phase on each switch? If so, then would it be a problem? hmm.gif
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post May 20 2020, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Max @ May 20 2020, 12:36 PM)
3 way switch with different phase?  hmm.gif
hows the wiring/diagram?
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My bad, I meant 3 gang smart switch.

So, my question was can a 3 way smart switch independently work on 3 different phase?
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QUOTE(cablesguy @ May 20 2020, 01:57 PM)
I asked the supplier if can install the capacitor on any gang on the no neutral switch, normally replies quite fast but till now no reply, myb he is not sure himself, Ill update if he replies

Heres a link to the 4 gang no neutral wifi switch along with the wiring diagram

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post May 22 2020, 11:18 AM

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Test pen can be tricky. If you are on ladder with rubber footing (prevent slip), your test pen most likely will not lit up and you think there is no electricity. Well, still safe if your other hand not touching anywhere other than the ladder. If you touch other metal ceiling or other wire, you might get shock smile.gif
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post Jun 5 2020, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin @ Jun 5 2020, 02:25 PM)
Hi SiFu,
Actually we use the Aqara wall switch without neutral or with neutral better? I use to control Philips down light. 
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Switch without N will have less max load compare to with L in general, but much easier to install since most wall switch in Malaysian has no N wire. So, basically Pulg n Play.

Here is sample load distribution for 4 gang switch

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sos

https://shopee.com.my/Smart-Wifi-Switch-(no...8094.1592373201

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post Jun 6 2020, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ Jun 6 2020, 04:17 PM)
Sifus,

Wta, just installed a 3 gang no neutral wifi switch with capacitor in L1 , issue is one of the double lights in L1 is dimly lit when off, in order words wont turn off completely, the other L1 light turns off completely.

Scenario
L1 double lights, capacitor. One light is dilmy lit, one light completely off.
L3 double lights, no issues, both lights turn off completely

L2 Fan no issues.

Any ideas why? I tried another 3 gang switch but got the same results, so I dont think its the switch issue.
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The capacitor supplied with the switch?

Have you tried disconnect fan and see if this solve the problem?
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post Jun 6 2020, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ Jun 6 2020, 09:03 PM)
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Ya bro, came with the switch. Tried running single gang on L1, L2 and L3, still the same. Worse is just live with it.  biggrin.gif
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This switch is using WiFi, or Zigbee?

If removing is still the same, it means your light has very low operating current. What is the lamp type and the power rating on the LI and the L2?

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