QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 26 2022, 07:37 PM)
Oh wait, different breakers, not sure about this time
QUOTE(shykull @ Oct 26 2022, 07:58 PM)
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Yesq. All neutral lines are common at the main breaker box. However, some contractors may not follow standards and loop the neutral lines.
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QUOTE(shykull @ Oct 26 2022, 09:50 PM)
will not trip. unless got short to earth then will trip.
Also be careful, if the neutral wire was looped then even if you turn off the breaker, the active load from another breaker can shock you
QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 27 2022, 08:26 AM)
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For lighting points, normally 6 lighting points (if not mistaken) will share 1 MCB (mini circuit breaker) of 6A. One single N wire is looping to all these points and return to the DB. The 20A switch will have its own N wire going back to the DB. This is because it is meant to carry the 20A load back to DB from L wire.
Even though it is a single phase wiring where the N is common throughout the house, the N wire to devices are separated throughout the house because of the current load wires have to bear. So, when you loop the N from the switch to the 20A switch, it will work for single phase usually, but now the load from smart switch will now share the load of the 20A switch.
If I understood the smart switch with N requirement right, the N will just carry very small current just to power the smart switch, not the load from light points because they have their own N at the ceiling. Therefore, I think this will not be a problem. No, it will not cause any damage to house wiring anyway. The 20A MCB still protect the wiring of the 20A switch.

QUOTE(shykull @ Oct 27 2022, 12:50 PM)
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This is looping. Eg in your bedroom you have 1 breaker for lights and 1 breaker for Aircond. By right the contractor needs to pull 2 neutral wires to that bedroom. But some contractors want to save wire costs, they loop the neutral for both breakers.
So if you are working on the 20A and your lights are ON, you can get shocked if there is looping. because the current will flow to the 20A neutral line.
To be sure turn off all breakers in the room you are working on.

QUOTE(epicure @ Oct 27 2022, 01:52 PM)
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You can loop the neutral from the 20A double pole to use with your multigang neutral switch. However, thereβs some safety concerns with that. Assuming that neutral cabling is not looped, meaning each and every circuit is connected directly from the respective DB to the fitting (in this case the 20A double pole), then whenever you want to carry out maintenance on your multigang switch or change the multigang switch to another switch, then you need to turn off your 6A lighting MCB and also the 20A MCB (for the double pole) before you carry out maintenance. Because if you just turn off the 6A MCB, the neutral from the 20A double pole that was looped over is still live, and may electrocute you.
I think, you can consider to install the non-neutral multigang switches that use the zigbee 3.0 protocol, and they are cheaper when you go with brands under the TUYA OEM umbrella. They can be wired up without neutral, do not require capacitor (so far no issue with mine) and just required a zigbee hub to pair to.
Brands such as Aqara are pricier. Wifi only switches may clog up your 2.4Ghz network. And brands like sonoff, require neutral.
Edit: if you want a one to one replacement for the 4 gang switch, you may still require neutral (some 4-gang switches are sold online, but only wifi, no zigbee). Because zigbee switches are only 3-gang, No 4-gang zigbee switches as of yet. I have a 4-gang switch that i am still thinking of how to settle. I dont want to settle for a 4-gang wifi switch and have to deal with capacitors, rather have zigbee.

QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Nov 20 2022, 04:31 AM)
agreed 433MHz remote is heaven sent, no need hp at all.
this is how I program on my sonoff switch
1. long press one of your desired button on your wall switch until u hear a beep... some device will blink led
2. then on ur remote, press the button u want for the trigger. thats it.
ps: not recommended but can trigger multiple button using the same key at remote. eg all lights or fan+light
I ended up using Smartrul on Wifi. Since I am using a "dedicated" wifi network just for home automation purposes (rather than throwing away the 3-mesh LG8245X6-10 gifted by Maxis Fibre). Laptops and smart-whatever are using separate wifi on 3-mesh M9 Plus for quality-assurance reason.
Smartrul because most almost everyone else are selling switches with decorated pattern on the buttons while I want empty one - just a halo ring so that I can have custom stickers to label right on top of the buttons.
I connected N to the 20A next to them. I shall not use transistors.
The 433MHz is wonderful!!!
Tomorrow's gonna continue with the rest. Some switches I might need to call electrician to pull N as they don't have 20A or 3-pin or pathway to either that I can pull myself.
(I use separate remote to either control the porch or to control living room.)