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post May 31 2018, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Snoy @ May 31 2018, 09:43 AM)
Autogate button in the house is normally operated with "pulse" signal (like door bell).
Not sure if any reputable branded WiFi switch has provided this or not.
Similar to the modification of Autogate control board, a "pulse" signal is needed...
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Just found one made in Malaysia but I think this is not cheap like Chine one laugh.gif

http://www.senzo.com.my/Smart-Switch-with-...entory-1-ON-OFF

The design hmm.gif

If you don't mind China one:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/SESO....748615dfvTQXp0

Not sure if your gate way compatible with this one though

Edit again. I found branded one

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Aqar....748615dfvTQXp0

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post May 31 2018, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Snoy @ May 31 2018, 10:13 AM)
Senzo one will work.
Another link: https://www.lazada.com.my/products/senzo-x-...2OgzWM&search=1

However, I'll prefer to opt for a solution from reputable brand which can be integrated as one smart home solution.
Just don't prefer many apps controlling different things in my phone.
For my criteria, smart devices should be within certain ecosystem (IFTTT, Mi Home, SmartThings, etc)

Your links about the Aqara and Sesoos switch may not work because they are "momentary" switch for buttons but may not emit momentary signal.
I'm not 100% sure as I don't own them but that's what I understand from their applications.
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I noticed that on Aqara, but since it is used to signal hub, ... well that is like modification in the autogate control box laugh.gif tongue.gif Back to square one
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post May 31 2018, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 30 2018, 10:18 PM)
will buy voltage meter this weekend
donno how to use...
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my remote sometime not working, not sensitive.
i believe the frequency need to re-tune.

most importantly not enuf remote control.
and all family member hv phone... tat solve it
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Like most autogate system, they did not design everything. The black box in the controller box is the rf receiver module. It usually has long wire out to act as antenna. Try to put the wire outside the control box. This will improve reception. It can receive more than 50m away I suppose.

Not enough remote? I think you can buy additional from the gate installer
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post May 31 2018, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2018, 10:23 AM)
Your wiring very messy.  rclxub.gif

Can you tell me what is that black box doing? My guess is remote receiver.  I think the board don't have the remote receiver built in. Use an external remote receiver.

The gate motor is running on AC ? That "Trans out" word is confusing. My guess is that the transformer is step down to 24v and 12v AC and supply to the motor. So it should be label as " Trans In".

Why you need a 12VDC ?

How many motor gate you have? I see there got 8 relay. 6 motor and 2 lock ?

Sorry I not familiar with autogate. Only got manual gate. cry.gif

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The auto gate motor usually runs on 12V DC. Not sure why they need that many relays but it is normally like that for two motors gate (left and right gate). Something like 1 relay engaged for high speed and 2 relay engaged for slower speed.

That black box is 3rd party RF receiver for remote control.
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post May 31 2018, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2018, 11:39 AM)
But I don't see any rectifier to convert to DC ?

The top left trans, rec circuit is for the main board supply from AC240. Where is the DC circuit for motor ?

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12V for low speed engage 1 relay, Than switch over to another relay 24V if high speed ?
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The relay thing is my guess. Never really study it.

The rectifier is the one looks like this for high current:

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Normally the back-up battery is 12V. Instead of driving both motors at the same time during power failure, the gate is open/close one by one. I'm nor sure about motor speed control, either by voltage of duty cycle. Never really try to study it blush.gif
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post May 31 2018, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2018, 12:26 PM)
If the motor is DC, there is a separate rectifier circuit for the motor from the transformer 12/24 AC. (below the board)

That rectifier circuit on the left top is for the board supply. Not enough power for the motor. (Judge from the board trans)

And there is no battery in that box. Where is the battery connection on the board ? I suspect this auto gate don't have backup battery running.
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You maybe right. I did not look carefully at the picture. There is a big transformer at the bottom there and this must be the one that drive the motor. Maybe an AC motor. biggrin.gif
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post May 31 2018, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 31 2018, 01:32 PM)
ozak the diagram ur draw is accurate, and no backup battery

Zot from the rectifier pix, i think the board hv DC... but the INPUT/OUTPUT operation all in AC
when i buy the voltage meter, then i will able to test whether the motor is AC Motor
ps: or can i just test with Test Pen??

i redraw this to include more details
[attachmentid=9833005]

Another thing is I notice inside RF Module have 2 small black box written as
TIANBO HJR-4102E-D-09V
3A 120VAC
3A 24VDC
--> RF is also AC box
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I see yours has big X'former which might be driving AC motor. The voltage might not be 240V, otherwise why need X'former? biggrin.gif

I think test pen works only for higher voltage AC. However, be careful with test pen. If your body is isolated from the ground and you use test pen to check the Live wire, it will not light up. This does not mean the power is off smile.gif

My auto-gate is different brand and I was told that it operates on DC motor, with backup battery in case of power failure. However, I did not see anything big. The rectifier is about the same and the X'former is also about the size of yours on left top corner hmm.gif

It is not the original because the original spoiled 2x. The guy who installed the gate is now selling own brand and he changed the board used by his company.
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post May 31 2018, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 31 2018, 02:35 PM)
i confirm the board is written AC24 (i too suspect it should be AC240) and

another confirmation is... inside RF Module (black box)
there is a 2 small box written
TIANBO HJR-4102E-D-09VTIANBO HJR-4102E-D-09V
3A 120VAC3A 120VAC
3A 120VAC3A 120VAC

is the item is converting AC to DC?
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That black boxes are relays. Looks like the relay coil is using 9V. The contact can handle 120V at 3A

I think the input to the RF module is 24AC. The power is from main X'former. Inside the RF module the AC is converted to DC. The reason I said this is tha tthe smoothing capacitor is rated 50V 1000uF.

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post May 31 2018, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2018, 03:10 PM)
My mistake. You're right. The motor is DC.

With this bigger picture, I can see the rectifier is for the motor. Not for the circuit board. Can see the circuit jalan into the relay. It is a rough DC convert without capacitor smooth out.

user posted image

Left side transformer supply DC to the prg chip. If TS know where to tap the circuit, he can get the DC12V/24V from it.
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The 2 small diodes on the top and two capacitors are probably providing the power to the PCBA

Yes, that copper trace is heavy

So, what big transformer on other picture for?

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post May 31 2018, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2018, 03:26 PM)
I thought rec require 4 diode ?
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If you have X'former with no center tap, you need 4 diodes to make full bridge to get full wave.

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If you have center tapped X'former, you can have full wave rectifier with only 2 diodes.

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Otherwise, you can also produce DC with just 1 diode. This is called half wave rectifier

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post Jun 1 2018, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 03:04 PM)
sorry for the late reply,
here the back pic of rf module

[attachmentid=9835362]

i hv oso identified the rectifire "leg", the leg quite long.

RET 50A/800V
-AC
AC+
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It looks like that this RF module board get DC power from the main board through the Black and Red wire. That big capacitor 1000uF 50V is just to stabilize the incoming DC. The voltage then is regulated to 9Vdc to power the module through the voltage regulator RG2 at the tip of the capacitor.

The RF module receives the signal from remote to close contacts on both relays. One for right motor and the other for left motor. The relays act just like switches.

The relays on the main boards is switching the power on the motors.

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post Jun 1 2018, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 03:35 PM)
will sonoff inching still workable?
coz it hv power rating 5v/12v only...

and what is the output power rating for the NO-COM? 9v??
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The 9V is the coil voltage to open and close the relay.

Relay notation usually like this:
COM > Common
NO > Normally Open
NC > Normally Closed

It is like 1P2T (1 Pole 2 Throw) switch

So, when the coil is power, the COM will connect to NO. Otherwise, COM will connect to NC.

Never look at Sonoff product spec. Maybe others knew better. Which Sonoff model are you talking about? I can search for it.
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post Jun 1 2018, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 03:51 PM)
I see that Sonoff has two different version, the 5V and 12V.

You need to know what is the voltage that comes from the Red & Black wire to the RF module. My guess it probably is 12V.
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post Jun 1 2018, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 1 2018, 04:04 PM)
The RF is supply by the board AC24. RF itself have the rec to convert to DC.

1 relay is control side open ?  and 1 is control fully open ?

What is side open ?
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I don't think so because it looks like the power to the RF board is through Red/Black wire which go to that big capacitor directly. So, it cannot be AC voltage. Furthermore, the RG2 I believe is a voltage regulator, not a rectifier. The input is DC. It is step down voltage, which I think from 12VDC to 9VDC.

Side open probably mean open one side of the door. The other is open both door. Normally it is fix either one side.
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post Jun 1 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 04:12 PM)
i think it can operate on 2 different power source,
or it hv jumper to switch the operation mode
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The pictures show 2 different boards (notice the power connector orientation). The board dimensions are also different.

The 5V one can be powered from 5V supply or USB (5V)

The 12V one can be powered from 12V supply or USB (5V)


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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 1 2018, 04:17 PM)
I already ask him to double confirm. Check the picture.

It is AC24 supply to the RF. red and black wire.
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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 04:21 PM)
i think will get the test meter asap,
so no need to guess... 😅
😅 will take note on this
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I just noticed your drawing shows AC24V to RF board. This drawing is on main board?
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post Jun 1 2018, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 06:54 PM)
ok autogate result come out already

1) Short it in a spark moment
-> autogate's motor activated... open/close
-> it will stopped after 25s (damn... this autogate is running on timer)

ranting.gif to fully open/close, my autogate need 8-10s... but it still running for additional 15s

2) Short it long time
-> autogate's motor continue to run... will not stop
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That was how mine work before. There are a set of trimpot to adjust the time. How ever, my new card now works differently. It will open and then sense the load current. Once the doors are fully open and hit the limit, motor will still continue thus increase the current. The board sense the current and then stop the motor.
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post Jun 1 2018, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jun 1 2018, 10:27 PM)
ohh this is interesting!
i tot the board need somesort of sensor to sense fully open/close.
thus will gv me some idea for future replacement.

ps: i think using the timer mod, the motor gonna KO pretty fast
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Not really. Mine motor is already more than 10 years. The board now is the 3rd one. The 2 previous one were timed based from original gate manufacturer. Both board were damaged by lightning. The design of the board was not good.
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post Jun 2 2018, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 1 2018, 11:11 PM)
Try put some varistor on the L and N terminal. Or get a surge proctector.
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Original board has own varistor but that would not help much smile.gif

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