As above mentioned , assuming both are stim and shredding
is the goal , which one would you pick ? (Disregard stacking a stim and non stim , cause damn expensive) (I'm indecisive of which to buy cause I'm damn broke and can only further afford either one besides than my whey,crea,amino,fish oil and foods)

Btw anyone here tried ec stack ?
If you do , mind sharing the experience ?

Also , anyone here is dmaa user ?

Both are not necessary. If you can't afford just don't buy. No harm to your training.

Lol ur thinking too much. Both of them are just the same. Fix ur diet first.

just get the whey and creatine

save the money and buy more chickens and meats

To clarify , i think i got my macros and diet quite sorted out . So thanks on that part .

Im getting either one of those for the caffeine , just wondering which one has priority over another .

And peanuts butter , oat , eggs , greens , prunes , TT rip wallett

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This post has been edited by fatboykenny: Apr 9 2015, 02:53 AM

it's funny when you say u r broke and yet u r considering something totally unnecessary

"Totally" ? Define thanks . Not here for the nanny advices . Im trying to learn , so it would be at my best interest not to spark any unnecessary arguements here . Peace yohhhh

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This post has been edited by fatboykenny: Apr 9 2015, 03:32 AM

yea. it's totally unnecessary. when you are broke.

learn how to prioritise what you need and what you don't.

You 10~11% bodyfat bro?

You are trying to learn and other people told you that it's not necessary. 5 of them including me and you still want to buy it even if you are broke. You want that caffeine, that espresso shot.

if whey,crea,amino,fish oil and foods are what you're taking now

add in a multivitamin if you got the budget, not pwo or fat burner

ambik animal cut.

Haha , when i say im broke , not literally broke la , just that i gave my hobby a budget restriction and im not willing to spend more than it only . So what would be a better priority ?

Soooo , assuming there is like 100mg of caffeines every shot . Taking 2 shot pre wo .
Where can i get expresso at a price <rm1.50 per shot ? This is because in fat burner it provides 200 for like 3 bucks per pill , ofc i would prefer expresso if i can fit them into my budget .

Alternatively , wondering how many cups of nescafe i need to fill in 200

Please correct me if im wrong on 200mg dosage

My stats : h 185 , w 90/89depending on carbs) , bf roughly 16%
Ive got to 12% previously .
My goal is too reach 10%



Alright i need to clarify this , im not asking whether pwo or fat burner , which one is a better "fat burning magical pill" , reason why i want to get them is because of csffeine energy kick . Calories is the key to everything , yes i knew it .

I forgot to add , ive them on stacks d . Not the regular bodybuilding multivitamin tho . Those regular household consumption one haha . I dunno what's the different tho haha

get caffeine pills. does the job and is cheap.

Pharmacy ? How much does it cost ?

i dont think pharmacies carry them

even the one at GNC is weak at 90mg per pills you need alot of pills

just get them from online supplement store

Thanks , will check them out

Want to shred? You don't really need any fat burner or anything. Fat burners may help but not required.

If you're on a budget, priority should go to a good multivitamin, fish oil, and protein. In the order given. Find your base metabolic rate, and adjust your diet and macros accordingly, and you should see your bf% go down. Discipline and consistency is key here.

Good luck

OP, I suggest you try a PWO first and see what results you get. Then after a properly scheduled stim break of between 2-4 weeks go for a fat burner and see how that works out.

I've noticed that some stimulant ingredients may appear in both PWOs and fat burners but the profiles are not completely similar.

Read the labels carefully before you try and know what you are ingesting. This way, coupled with your own experience of the product, you will know exactly what does and does not work for your goals.

Morning

Heard about Zenoctil.

Try reading about it.

speaking from personal experience:
- i have tried PWO (muscletech)
- i have tried Hydroxycut Elite (muscletech) and quadra lean.
- conclusion, go for PWO, definitely gives you more kick than thermogenics, and also..
fat burners are useless.