picture quality is of the main definin criteria.
btw, for a ps2.

Before I switched to my 29" Philips, I used a 21" Philips CRT. For RM 599 that was one of the first sets to have component inputs - made a world of difference when playing Xbox or PS2.

i used to have a JVC 21" flat tv, but composite only, now using a 29" Sony TV but no component also, but i think mostly all 21" flat tv is good coz screen small cant c difference, try look for 21" with component input.

bro.. i think she/he talking about crt monitors.. not tv..
or izzit just my bad

Well according to the topic title:

best 21 inch flat screen crt tv for gamin, sony, panasonic, toshiba or wat?

so I suppose it's TV.

yes, i am talkin abt a tv, any idea which is the best i can get for like rm500 in the current market?

I dun think 21" inch makes any difference coz i haven't see any 21" inch with HDTV support. Mostly only composite input and even if u do have a component input, it probably won't make any difference.

But just remember to stay away from Panasonic 21"inch CRT.

Agreed. Donno why Pana tvs dont agree with the PS2. I tested my PS2 on my Bro's 29" Pana(latest model)...the PQ was really badd...

Jus got myself a Sony DB29" last night...man this tv rockz when paired with PS2 (or is it the other way round).....

The Philips 21" component input DID make a difference - I remember how muddy the Chronicles of Riddick on my older TV looked. Plugging it into the components made it look brand new.

By the way I agree. Stay away from Panny sets.

har...why got such issue one.. How could it happend?
I am panasonice suppporter lor for others gadget. They are advanced in technology & cheaper price than Sony.

lucky i am using Sharp TV to play PS2.

what exactly's this component input and how does it affect gaming?

oups! my bad

Maybe ur old TV just suck too much that anything else looks good. J/K.

Anyway, i didn't know 21" also got component input. Now i know.

TMTANWHACKY: Component input is the best a TV can get before the existent of HDMI. It's the Red, Green, Blue connectors. It separate the colour to Red,Green,Blue and carries 2 other attributes in two of the channels.

Composite is the normal single yellow connector. It mix everything in one single line.

For HDTV CRT, you MUST use component cable to get HDTV display and same goes for progressive scan DVD player(480p).

This post has been edited by Matrix: Oct 13 2006, 08:48 PM

ic... so any gd componet input 21 inch to recommend out there? btw, are thr any 21 inch crt hdtvs?

last time i was using a sony 21" flat screen without component input.. but the quality is amazing already..
now i upgrade to 29" with component video.. much better as compared to other tv i have in terms of color and contrast.. like phillip 34" with component video..

is it also referred to as dvd input?

yeap...
but another thing is.. if a TV having this DVD input but is not HD..
it juz make the screen look nicer and sharper.. color and contrast very good..
but it doesnt have progressive though..

i doubt any 21" has progressive

Yeah, AFAIK no 21" has progressive. Don't let this deter you though - do a live switch from composite to component and you'll immediately notice sharper lines and better colours. Ultimately your eyes are the best judge.

I guess on 21" your eyes can't really see the difference whether the display is on progressive or not, but on a 29" there is a clear difference (at least to me anyway). The display just looks sharper/crisp. (esp. when playing games like God of War).

Lord Ashe, any ideas on how to improve the PQ when playing Metal Slug 6? the graphics looks choppy on my Sony. (or is it just the game?)

Choppy? Do you mean that the framerate stutters?

If you're using an LCD it could be lag (refresh rate) but if CRT (like me) it could be the disc you're using.

No bro, no the framerate. I'm using CRT so that's not an issue.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the graphics look blocky, as in angular and pointed. For example, the game characters head looks squarish. The game itself runs smoothly. Maybe it's the game although the arcade version itself looks much better. I would have thought that Metal Slug 6 (10th year edition) for the PS2 would look better, if not the same as the arcade version (which was Metal Slug 2 or 3).

FYI, I can't change the in game settings cos there is no option to do so.

so is thr a brand to recommend for a component 21 n how much will it cost me?

try this:-

Code: PHP-21PT3324 Description: COLOR TV - 21"REAL FLAT
W.M. RCP: RM 679 Brand: PHILIPS

Features :
*21"*Real Flat TM Tube For Vivid Picture*Active Control TM Optimizes Picture Quality*Signal Strength Indicator*AV Stereo Sound With 10W Sound Power*Component Video Input Gives Best Connection For ShowingYour DVD Movies On Your TV*Personal Zapping Remote To Personalize Your TV And Teletext

anythin with the rm500 price tag?

yup, but no component, sry.

any recommendation for tvs without component? or r they all the same?

u can try the GC brand from carrefour.....i just bought the 29inch last nite. rm739. can upgrade warranty to 3 year for rm80.

havent tried yet...but i heard its pretty ok la. got component n coaxial n svideo

GC brand.... not very gd rite, i have seen ads which offer samsung 21 inch flat with component at abt 500+ if i have not mistaken. btw, how much the ps2 component cable cost n whr can i get it?

The PS2 component cable may cost you around RM 50 at most, and you can get it from Sg Wang. I got mine from Lik-Sang, but that's not an option anymore.

The Samsung (if it does retail for RM 500) would be a decent buy since at 21" component video would be just different enough from composite.

hold on, i have mistaken, is dvd component not the same as composite?

Nope. Component video uses the RED, GREEN, BLUE connectors as it splits the video signal into three streams. COMPOSITE video is the standard YELLOW coloured one.

guys,

I'm also looking for a 21" TV to play my PS2 with since a 29" would be overkill...

i read that panny sets can't be used with the PS2...

even this? http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=361862

Panny sets CAN be used with PS2s. I know, I use a Panny set everytime I balik kampung. With 21" TVs it's a hit and miss, but you won't be suffering TERRIBLY. IF the Panny has component, good for you. If not, S video will do. If that's not available too, then it looks like it's good old composite for you...

This post has been edited by Lord_Ashe: Nov 7 2006, 01:38 PM

Well, not all tvs with component videos will look better, it depends on the picture tube quality, it doesn't mean LCD with HDMI will look better if you compare Cap Ayam brands with a branded one from ...... let say ...... Panasonic. Inputs don't determine a tv's picture quality but if you want a normal CRT tv for heavy duty usage with decent PQ, go for Sony, Panasonic or Toshiba.

As always I'm going to add Philips into the list.

Got a Toshiba bomba Flat 21" today with DVD component input. fantastic colours with the normal composite now. highly recommended

now i have to go find the component cable. Sony Wings doesn't have it anymore...

i bought the GC flatscreen 29" tv. 3 yrs warranty Rm800. not bad la. picture quality oso quite good. plus the have a lot of inputs.

and i bought componnent cable for ps2 at rm30 from 1Utama. one of those game shops.

for those on budget, can try gc.

@g-string,

is the component cable good? it's not the original Sony cable right? alot of difference when compared to the normal AV?

gilth...

errmm....ya, got visible difference. teh colours r more brighter, and the picture looks sharper.

i tried on projector can straight see the difference between composite n component.

on tv can also see the difference. but its not original sony, some 3rd party brand.

ah maybe i'll just get the ciplak one... my problem isn't colour since everything looks so damn bright on my toshiba now. i want sharper images though... although it's something pretty limited on the current TV... so hopefully component will help

how muc did u get the bomba for? any gd place2recommend for me2get 1 at a gd price? n y has no1mentioned abt samsung?

got it for RM540.

where are u located? I got mine from one of the electrical shops in Kg Pandan

i am in PJ, ss2 area

oh ok. not very sure about the electrical shops over there i'm afraid... guess u just have to scout around then.

sorry i can't help much!

TMTAN: SS2 has A LOT of electrical shops, dude. Just scout around and choose one!

yo, i once used samsung 21 inch plano, but no component input, only 2 shared composite

anyway, the sound is quite good and image ... ok lah.. not sharp coz of lack of component

wat abt samsung slim fit? does tat have component?

It does, but beware - the image quality isn't that great and I heard it only supports PAL HD resolutions...anything over 50Hz won't be supported.

i using the panasonic 29' 100mhz wo...oso nt support ma???

thinking of changing to LCD tv to play my ps2, as well prepare for PS3>>>for sure, it must support HDMI....any brand can recommen and the price as well???thx

I recommend you check out the HDTV thread. More info there.

i thought tvs can usually go up to 60Hz esp when a game requires players to select either 50/60Hz... so samsung slim fit is not recommendable?

any feedback from toshiba tvs? thr's one with component "said salesman" that's goin for rm 450.