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TSohman
post Mar 18 2015, 10:47 PM, updated 11y ago

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Disapperance of Lisanne Froon & Kris Kremers, two Dutch girls who went missing while on a hike in the Panama jungle. 10 weeks later bone fragments and a backpack were found. These pictures were from a camera in the backpack. What happened to them is a mystery.

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last proper photo
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the rest are dark
as if they are using flash to find the road.

photo taken 8 days later, location unknown
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post Mar 18 2015, 10:49 PM

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Feels a bit like the Blair witch project.
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post Mar 18 2015, 10:50 PM

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post Mar 18 2015, 10:52 PM

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post Mar 18 2015, 10:54 PM

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Phone and off most probably to conserve battery. Maybe got injured, tried to call help, no line, some wild beast got to them
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post Mar 18 2015, 10:55 PM

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catch by orang bunian
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(kaoshi @ Mar 18 2015, 11:01 PM)
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why?
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:08 PM

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post Mar 18 2015, 11:08 PM

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probably got injured, lost in the forest, use camera flash as source of light at night. Sadly some animal got to them
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE
Just wandered into the websleuths thread and found this post:
"Use of their Canon SX270 camera

The recent Telegraaf article (Saturday October 4th) based on the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI) report concerning the contents of their backback quotes "involved sources" thus:
The final seventy of the 133 sequential photos "appear to have been taken from a deep, dark location, almost certainly after sunset and presumably featuring a large amount of overhanging vegetation." The photos were taken "on April 8th during the night, presumably to draw attention."
That matches the already documented period of night photography between 01:00 and 04:00 on Tuesday 8th. This happens to be the first night out for a rescue team, said to have used light and sound signals. These are not described in detail, but a rescue party would normally use a Very pistol to send up a series of white parachute flares to indicate their own position.

It seems plausible that the women saw the light signals. How could they answer them? Apparently they didn't have the standard orange plastic whistle hikers usually carry. Wonderful piece of kit - costs little, weighs grams, makes a hell of a lot of noise. But tropical mountain woodland won't carry any sound very far, even in the almost windless conditions prevailing that night. And they did have a light source; their camera's flash.
But they couldn't aim that flash directly at the rescue team. Too many trees in the way. They were somewhere near a narrow river, with tall woodland on both sides. But they could see a patch of sky. Did it make sense to flash roughly vertically upwards? The reliable source of historical hourly weather data (links below) skips these particular hours, but highish humidity and partial cloud cover are on the cards. Perhaps they fired the flash a couple of times and saw some Tyndall scattering - like you would see a searchlight beam in damp or dusty conditions. In any case, they had nothing to lose and would certainly fail if they didn't try.
So they tried for hours. But the fingernail-sized flash of their pocket camera was too weak, or there wasn't much scattering and all the light just disappeared straight up. The dark frames themselves show no significant reflections. This is perhaps the most heartbreaking part of their ordeal."


https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysterie...is_kremers_two/
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:13 PM

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this is why you should nokia here maps

got offline maps

no cellular data still got a map to use!!!

stupid google maps useless without data

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they wander around to an unknown places without a guide, rainforest is a huge place, u can easily be lost if u are not careful....
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:23 PM

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rule #1 when travelling to no mans land is to always inform local authority about your routes
Rule #2 always carry a freaking whistle

RIP, may their soul rest in peace
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:30 PM

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parking

seems like a reading material
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Mar 18 2015, 11:13 PM)
this is why you should nokia here maps

got offline maps

no cellular data still got a map to use!!!

stupid google maps useless without data
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google maps got offline version but its not implemented on our malaysian maps ~ tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2015, 11:50 PM

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Damn scary. Heck of a story.
These girls are very foolish to venture into the jungle on their own without a local guide.

Thats the thing with the matsallehs...they are always looking out for these risky adventures.
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Sedih tu sedih jugak, tapi depa memang cari penyakit sendiri.

Orang masuk hutan mesti ada survival kit. Habih koman pun, bawak flashlight LED yang terang gila tu. Yang original habih koman RM200 lebih, bukan mahal sangat.

Moral kisah ini: JANGAN CARI PENYAKIT. Tak bersedia masuk hutan, jangan masuk hutan.
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attacked by wild animals perhaps
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post Mar 19 2015, 12:10 AM

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i thought the first thing to look out for when getting lost in jungle is river

no?
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Seriously going to Panama jungle without guide/security details is just asking for trouble.
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Tu la mulut celupar. Padan muka kena culik orang bunian.
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Mar 19 2015, 12:10 AM)
i thought the first thing to look out for when getting lost in jungle is river

no?
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the red things on the stick are probably from a market bag. There is a picture of a bag like this taken in their room
-plastic may be on the stick to wave down helicopters or swat flies
-the paper around the stick on the ground may be from a chewing gum wrapper
-they made attempts to call 911 the day they went hiking. Subsequent 911 calls were not made until the morning, so they went most of the night without making another attempt
-the phones were briefly powered on in the days to follow probably to check for a signal. The 911 calls stop after the first couple of days, but the phones are still powered on and off
-the last time the phone was powered on was 3 days after the pictures were taken in the dark
-the pictures in the dark were taken about a week after they went missing. Searches had been going on for a bit at this point and some of the parents had flown in. Some question the thoroughness of the searching
-there were about 90 pictures taken in the dark in a short time period during the same night. All but three are completely black
-there are apparently side trails off the main trail they were initially following on which they could have gotten lost
-since they were at the continental divide, rivers run toward town on one side and away from town on the other.
They may have followed the river thinking it was toward town when it was away
-lots of people suspect foul play but many of the theories are crazy


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they spirited away to the side of jungle guardian.


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macam bes je buat baca

park dlu

balik rumah baca
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QUOTE(professor_snape @ Mar 19 2015, 12:20 AM)
what does it mean by foul play
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someone do something to them liddat
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they should has installed gps before go in jungle
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QUOTE(HandsomeDupe @ Mar 18 2015, 11:23 PM)
rule #1 when travelling to no mans land is to always inform local authority about your routes
Rule #2 always carry a freaking whistle

RIP, may their soul rest in peace
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rule #3 must get a male company. brows.gif
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-27573329

wow. dutch ....
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post Mar 19 2015, 05:44 PM

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if you had no any means necessary skill of surviving ....don be so dumb to go alone... even the expert might not come out alive
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This is heck of a crazy jungle trekking
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post Mar 19 2015, 05:48 PM

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They ran into cannibals? hmm.gif
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post Mar 19 2015, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 19 2015, 05:48 PM)
They ran into cannibals?  hmm.gif
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more like drug lords

Parking also..
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same location different person ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...ter/8295599.stm
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post Mar 19 2015, 05:53 PM

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they are moving in night which is very bad idea.
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this prove iphone has better battery than samsung:


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post Mar 19 2015, 05:59 PM

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yeah i agree it's like blair witch movie
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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 19 2015, 05:50 PM)
more like drug lords

Parking also..
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but their phones still in the backpack ... drug lords if wanna eliminate evidence, sure took the backpack and phone as well right? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Mar 19 2015, 05:53 PM)
they are moving in night which is very bad idea.
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but strangely no body was found hmm.gif

EDIT: some remains already found by locals ... sorry din read carefully

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Everyone missing the important point,

that awek is freaking 1.84 meter, it is like, wtf? Giant sized yo!
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Mar 19 2015, 05:56 PM)
this prove iphone has better battery than samsung:
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iphone lasted 6 days more than samseng

But Pity, still not enough to save their life.

So end of it, powderbank is a must wink.gif
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Mar 19 2015, 06:03 PM)
Everyone missing the important point,

that awek is freaking 1.84 meter, it is like, wtf? Giant sized yo!
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it's normal, dutch people usually quite high
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Mar 19 2015, 06:03 PM)
Everyone missing the important point,

that awek is freaking 1.84 meter, it is like, wtf? Giant sized yo!
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I think their men average is around 6 feet 1 or 2 inches? That is average, above average sure taller lol.
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guys average height are 5"9"
girls average height are 5"6"
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Recently also got foreigner went missing and found dead in one of the islands here.

Dunno what was the conclusion.
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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Mar 19 2015, 06:19 PM)
guys average height are 5"9"
girls average height are 5"6"
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not among the dutch for sure.
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QUOTE(Richard Parker @ Mar 18 2015, 11:49 PM)
Feels a bit like the Blair witch project.
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i tot the sameuser posted image
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jungle deity is very powerful wan... if u are unlucky and offended them, u have zero chance of surviving...
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QUOTE(vassilius @ Mar 19 2015, 06:32 PM)
jungle deity is very powerful wan... if u are unlucky and offended them, u have zero chance of surviving...
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y jungle deity so bad one cry.gif
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I could have mistaken this for altantuya's place kena blow up

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