Should be. Mostly affected is the SAP folks there. Used to be high paid SAP consultants, now become jobless SAP consultants. This will further drop the SAP market rates.

They can go India

Without SAP, people still can work

Just back from breakfast with some old friends in the industry who has gone to management role.
Apparently some of the MNC top management are talking about moving to cloud. Their ultimate goal is to have the Analyst sit in NL or UK, and the application+infra is supported and maintained by someone else (currently india). don't be surprise 5 yrs later they announce closure of the india center and outsource everything back to SAP germany, to be hosted on the cloud. i am talking about 2 O&G company here (insider news so i cannot reveal much)

Salary in India are very cheap

No, there were concerns with the Quality. They wont simply outsource just because it is cheap, the management have thought of all factors. Apparently India is only an interim transition, while waiting for SAP to finalize on the Cloud hosting infra and agreement. The contract for the India center is only 10 years I heard.

You know why Middle East countries after their local the second most is Indians
Why they like them
Is because they are yes men.
Help desk job is a standard job, they only do according to it, nothing more but always can perform lesser.
So, since it is stated in procedures, you don't need highly skilled person to do the job.
Quality of job are out of topic for them.

This is just beginning, gradually companies are moving out to seek cheaper alternative (in this case obviously India will be the top choice). This is sad fact of shared service industry. The intention of course was noble, to equip local with right knowledge and skills so perhaps one day we can stand on our own. For instance, freelancing, entrepreneurship etc etc. At some degree, I can see this is actually happening especially in SAP. We just have to embrace the change and be competitive in order to survive. In SAP's case, with introduction of HANA Enterprise Cloud, more and more skilled jobs are being reduced. When technology is becoming efficient, job opportunity is becoming competitive (hence high pay). The pie is getting smaller.

please enlighten us on HANA Enterprise Cloud. I thought currently already have the SAP Cloud ERP?

by mentioning NL and UK i think most ppl already have a big clue

hana enterprise cloud is the top of the range cloud offerings from sap. Business suite, embedded bW all on hana and only hosted by SAP but a lot company still prefers on premise or private cloud.

S4 is the new offering from sap on Hana running on fiori ux. Which would be available for all cloud , private cloud and on premise where public cloud would have advantage in getting latest updates and innovation release. Currently only have finance thou. Logistics target to roll out this year. Probably they will integrate success factors and Ariba into s4 to roll out other modules.

Well, the only difference is database. With previous SAP Cloud ERP, the database technology could be coming from different vendors for instance Oracle. But with HANA Enterprise Cloud (HEC), it's end to end solution from SAP. With HEC, it's not just Software as a Service we talking about but platform & infrastructure as a service as well. No longer network, server, SAP Basis to name a few required to maintain SAP infrastructure hence less jobs.

Hmm. my ex-company using SAP Business Bydesign. It was the SAP Cloud ERP which they recently migrated to HANA. I think all new bydesign will be default on HANA already. What is the different between bydesign and HEC?

I kinda agree with this statement. Its true.

Business ByDesign is intended for mid size market. The on premise equivalent would be business one. While HEC could cater large enterprise and the equivalent would be SAP ECC. I thought Business ByDesign would be discontinued, Link

hmm. my ex-company is an MNC so i dont think bydesign is for SME and is not related to business one.
the cloud version of business one is called business one cloud

dont think discontinued because my ex company actively using it.

The product won't be available for new customer but existing customer will still be supported by SAP. ByDesign has limited modules, even as MNC, certain module might not necessarily have big users. So some of MNC has hybrid approach to use cheaper alternative for less users for instance HR module.

Most of the SAP technical stuff are outsource to India due to cheaper cost.
They don't really care about the quality as long as they can deliver.
I work with them before and they never follow the standard.

For SAP folks, time to enpower yourselves with latest tech like Fiori those.

S/4 HANA Simple Finance first customer coming up

any news that it might or might not affect T-System (which used to be the IT arm for Shell)? because my friend is joining the DBA team soon and I might share with him this forum. many thanks!