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KYPMbangi
post May 9 2015, 01:10 AM

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rare pic of rmaf mig-29 with weapons load, possibly in qra shed

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post May 9 2015, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 9 2015, 12:58 AM)
Elantra pun kereta murah.
kalau nak kereta mahal pilih rolls royce.
boleh bancuh tea lagi. whistling.gif
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tu lagi berat.... sweat.gif

also sudah confirm stop.. nak beli pun tak ada lagi


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post May 9 2015, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ May 9 2015, 02:10 AM)
the type59 have long been abonden

t72 betul...MBT-2000 hull very similar to t72 but later variant slowly move away

China also manage to get a sample courtesy of u know who
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if u follow chinese tank development, almost all chinese tank trave their root from type59/t-54.
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post May 9 2015, 07:27 AM

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Don't know why people say that a 50 - 60 tonnes MBTs are not suitable in tropical soil like in Malaysia because of it's weight. It's not about the weight itself but they should consider the ground pressure of the MBT.

Comparing ground pressure of MBTs:

T-90 : 0.938 kg/ sq.cm
Leo 2 : 11.8 psi (0.83 kg/cm²)
K1A1 : 0.87kg/cm²

Between the 3 the Leo 2 has much less ground pressure.

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post May 9 2015, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ May 9 2015, 07:27 AM)
Don't know why people say that a 50 - 60 tonnes MBTs are not suitable in tropical soil like in Malaysia because of it's weight. It's not about the weight itself but they should consider the ground pressure of the MBT.

Comparing ground pressure of MBTs:

T-90      : 0.938 kg/ sq.cm
Leo 2    : 11.8 psi (0.83 kg/cm²)
K1A1    : 0.87kg/cm²

Between the 3 the Leo 2 has much less ground pressure.
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K2 does xome with extra width track because of muddy conditions is sk especially endinh of winter and rainy season.

But weight is also a concern due to transportation and size. Rule of thumb, the heavier the bigger the tank size is
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post May 9 2015, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ May 9 2015, 08:04 AM)
K2 does xome with extra width track because of muddy conditions is sk especially endinh of winter and rainy season.

But weight is also a concern due to transportation and size. Rule of thumb, the heavier the bigger the tank size is
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Yes but it's not like that MBTs goes out from it's base everyday of the week. The only time the MBTs goes out from it's base if there is an exercise or war going on.

Plus ofcourse if there is a ceremonial parade. smile.gif

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QUOTE(azriel @ May 9 2015, 09:25 AM)
Yes but it's not like that MBTs goes out from it's base everyday of the week. The only time the MBTs goes out from it's base if there is an exercise or war.

Plus ofcourse if there is a ceremonial parade. smile.gif
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the certain weight limit our road can handle as well.. U wont want a transporter causing potholes all over laugh.gif

even that time i will start cursing although i fond with the sight of military vehicles... vmad.gif vmad.gif
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post May 9 2015, 09:44 AM

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Even Abrams' APFSDS may not be able to penetrate the Relikt-protected turret.....1100+mm RHA equivalent if I'm not mistaken

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post May 9 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ May 9 2015, 09:29 AM)
the certain weight limit our road can handle as well.. U wont want a transporter causing potholes all over laugh.gif

even that time i will start cursing although i fond with the sight of military vehicles... vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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That is why some MBTs has rubber tracks. The PT-91M uses German's Diehl Tracks. Even it seems the Thai Army is replacing the standard tracks of the T-84 Oplot-M with rubber tracks.

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http://www.thaiarmedforce.com/taf-gallery/...nd-oplot-m.html

Potholes were caused maybe by poor quality of the road and by daily usage by trucks & buses.

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post May 9 2015, 10:32 AM

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The preference for lighter MBTs was never about malaysian soil.its due to the bridges not being able to handle the weight,creating forced bottlenecks




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post May 9 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 9 2015, 10:32 AM)
The preference for lighter MBTs was never about malaysian soil.its due to the bridges not being able to handle the weight,creating forced bottlenecks
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Indeed. Soviet era tank designers always put more focus on mobility. Entire battalions of T-62/T-72 tanks are light enough to cross most bridges built in eastern europe in a single line nonstop without waiting one tank crossing at a time as in the case for most of the heavier NATO tanks.
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QUOTE(azriel @ May 9 2015, 07:27 AM)
Don't know why people say that a 50 - 60 tonnes MBTs are not suitable in tropical soil like in Malaysia because of it's weight. It's not about the weight itself but they should consider the ground pressure of the MBT.

Comparing ground pressure of MBTs:

T-90      : 0.938 kg/ sq.cm
Leo 2    : 11.8 psi (0.83 kg/cm²)
K1A1    : 0.87kg/cm²

Between the 3 the Leo 2 has much less ground pressure.
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Was wondering when someone is going to tell the /k experts that. laugh.gif
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post May 9 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ May 9 2015, 07:27 AM)
Don't know why people say that a 50 - 60 tonnes MBTs are not suitable in tropical soil like in Malaysia because of it's weight. It's not about the weight itself but they should consider the ground pressure of the MBT.

Comparing ground pressure of MBTs:

T-90      : 0.938 kg/ sq.cm
Leo 2    : 11.8 psi (0.83 kg/cm²)
K1A1    : 0.87kg/cm²

Between the 3 the Leo 2 has much less ground pressure.
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Pt91m should have lower ground pressure compare to 3 above.
There are a picture on pt91 slightly sinking on the grounds.
Yup as heavyduty say bridges was another issues that put into consideration on weight requirements.
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post May 9 2015, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 9 2015, 11:06 AM)
Pt91m should have lower ground pressure compare to 3 above.
There are a picture on pt91 slightly sinking on the grounds.
Yup as heavyduty say bridges was another issues that put into consideration on weight requirements.
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The PT-91 Twardy ground pressure is 0,94 kg/cm2 almost the same as the T-90.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product179.html

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QUOTE(azriel @ May 9 2015, 11:27 AM)
The PT-91 Twardy ground pressure is 0,94 kg/cm2 almost the same as the T-90.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product179.html
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That should be the measurements for poland twardy.
Malaysia uses german track mainly to lower down the ground pressure.
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post May 9 2015, 12:26 PM

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MiG-27 crashes in Bengal, 2 civilians die, pilot ejects safely

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A MiG-27 aircraft of Indian Air Force crashed at Tantipara here tonight killing two civilians on the ground though the pilot ejected safely.

An IAF spokesperson in Delhi said there were two civilian casualties.

SDO Samiran Mondal said the pilot suffered some injuries and was taken to the hospital.
The aircraft took off from Hasimara airbase at 8.20 p.m. and crashed near Alipurduar town around 8.30 p.m.

Due to the impact of the crash, some of the tin shades of nearby shanties were blown away.

Red Cross officials were at the site besides an IAF team.

A court of inquiry has been ordered.


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post May 9 2015, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ May 9 2015, 12:29 PM)
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France may scuttle Mistral ships rather than fulfill Russian contract

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The Mistral heli carrier which were supposed to be delivered to Russia are causing the French a headache. However, rather than handing them over, the French government may send them to the bottom of the sea, if the contract is canceled.

France was supposed to have received €1.12 billion ($1.25 billion) from Moscow for the sale of two state-of-the-art warships. However, under pressure from the US and EU the sale was postponed, perhaps indefinitely.

An article in Le Figaro on Wednesday says that Paris may have to resort to sinking the helicopter carriers if the government refuses to honor the contract and deliver them to Russia. The first vessel, the Vladivostok, should have been handed over in November, but

French President Francois Hollande said it would be postponed “until further notice.”

“Among the possible course of actions which is being considered by the French government is the possibility of the helicopter ships being destroyed. They will be dismantled, remodeled or sunk in the open sea,” the French newspaper wrote, citing an unnamed officer, who is well informed about the current situation surrounding the warships.

Fully report rt.com/news/255997-mistral-france-sink-russia/


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