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post Apr 28 2015, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 02:33 PM)
yes. i will do a secure erase to it when i am free these days. it's been quite some times i am running the machine 24/7 hehehe

my ocz vertex 3 is also still alive and kicking biggrin.gif

ssd optimizations, ram-based enhancements, and using hdd as downloads an data storage can make sure your ssd have a very long life.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif Yeah, I agree with you, mine SSD near 3 years old, just format once because migrate from win 7 lanun to ori win 8.1 pro use till today smooth like butter. biggrin.gif

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post Apr 28 2015, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Apr 28 2015, 12:04 AM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif Yeah, I agree with you, mine SSD near 3 years old, just format once because migrate from win 7 lanun to ori win 8.1 pro use till today smooth like butter.  biggrin.gif

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that corsair force 3 is a 60gb version? as boot drive it will last for some time even if it's small hehe


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post Apr 28 2015, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 28 2015, 12:22 AM)
that corsair force 3 is a 60gb version? as boot drive it will last for some time even if it's small hehe
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Buang page files (no prob for me cos 16 GB RAM) & hibernate. brows.gif brows.gif

Before format HDD and install windows, first go to BIOS set AHCI mode, then,
Booting and partitioning of MBR for Windows 7/ 8.1:
1. Boot from the Windows 7 DVD/USB
2. After booting you see the Install Windows 7/ 8.1 screen, press Shift + F10 to open a command prompt.
3. At the command prompt, Type diskpart, press Enter
4. Type lis dis, press Enter
5. Type sel dis X (where X is the number your drive shows up as), press Enter
6. Type cle, press Enter
7. Type convert mbr, press Enter (do this step if you previously used the GPT guide)
8. Type cre par pri align=4096 (1024 is default), press Enter
Note: If you are using multiple drives in RAID 0 use 1024 for the alignment instead of 4096 for best performance.
9. Type for quick fs=ntfs, press Enter
10. Type act, press Enter
11. Type exi, press Enter
12. Close the Command Window, and click the Install button.
13. Proceed to install Windows 7/ 8.1 and perform a normal installation using the "Custom (advanced)" type of installation. Do not format it the partitions again during the installation.
After installing windows:
- Type powercfg -h off and press enter to delete it or type powercfg -h -size 50 and press enter to shrink it
- Turn off page files, then restart windows
- Install mobo drivers
- Install newest SATA and chipset drivers
- Run windows updates
- Restart PC when required

Change power option
1. Open the Start Menu, in the search line, type Power Options and press Enter
2. Select the High performance power plan
3. Click "change plan settings"
4. Click "change advanced power settings"
5. Expand the Hard disk option and change setting to "never"
6. Expand the Sleep option and change setting to "never"
7. Click OK

Check to see if the TRIM command is being issued
1. Open the Start Menu, type CMD
2. Right click the icon and Run as Administrator
3. Type fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify
DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled)
DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled)

Disable Prefetch and Superfetch
1. Open the Start Menu, type Services.msc, press Enter
2. Scroll down until you see the "SuperFetch" entry
3. Double-click on it, and choose "Disabled" from the list

Rest research by your self. wink.gif



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post Apr 28 2015, 12:38 AM

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Hi Guy,

I wanted to get recommendation on portable SSD ? Any brand or model to consider ?

Just normal day to day workload (Use as main drive to store data & work between workstation/laptop), a value for money option. (Cost/GB)

Thanks
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post Apr 28 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Godek @ Apr 28 2015, 12:38 AM)
Hi Guy,

I wanted to get recommendation on portable SSD ? Any brand or model to consider ?

Just normal day to day workload (Use as main drive to store data & work between workstation/laptop), a value for money option. (Cost/GB)

Thanks
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Grab a cheap SSD and put it into a 2.5inch hdd enclosure? or SATA to USB 3 adapter, im using one with USAP support, but with 320GB hdd only sweat.gif
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post Apr 28 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Apr 28 2015, 12:37 AM)
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Rest research by your self.  wink.gif
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nice smile.gif

in general there is no need to do 4k alignment like that. (perhaps w7 needs it, but i never do that on w8.x) usually i just do diskpart > clean > proceed with installation (w8.x; gpt disk; uefi mode). i haven't encountered any 4k alignment issues.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 28 2015, 10:16 AM)
Grab a cheap SSD and put it into a 2.5inch hdd enclosure? or SATA to USB 3 adapter, im using one with USAP support, but with 320GB hdd only  sweat.gif
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bro do you mind to share the information about your hdd enclosure? i wanna get some noctua fans at lyp, so if possible i just grab some hdd enclosures too.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 28 2015, 11:56 AM)
nice smile.gif

in general there is no need to do 4k alignment like that. (perhaps w7 needs it, but i never do that on w8.x) usually i just do diskpart > clean > proceed with installation (w8.x; gpt disk; uefi mode). i haven't encountered any 4k alignment issues.
bro do you mind to share the information about your hdd enclosure? i wanna get some noctua fans at lyp, so if possible i just grab some hdd enclosures too.
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Eh, im using my HDD naked sweat.gif
the SATA to USB3 adapter is made by Asus. if you want to grab you, better find the enclosure that support UASP mode.
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post Apr 28 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 28 2015, 03:43 PM)
Eh, im using my HDD naked  sweat.gif
the SATA to USB3 adapter is made by Asus. if you want to grab you, better find the enclosure that support UASP mode.
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oh lol! i am using normal hdd enclosure. the max it can go is 190MB/s

yeah the problem is that enclosures with uasp are rare here :/
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post Apr 28 2015, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 28 2015, 03:55 PM)
oh lol! i am using normal hdd enclosure. the max it can go is 190MB/s

yeah the problem is that enclosures with uasp are rare here :/
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190MB/s is damn fast already, i'm not sure if UASP going to increase the performance further. sweat.gif
Too bad i dont have spare SSD to test the UASP mode vs the normal mode.

Or just get it from amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E1JAB3...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Apr 28 2015, 12:04 AM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif Yeah, I agree with you, mine SSD near 3 years old, just format once because migrate from win 7 lanun to ori win 8.1 pro use till today smooth like butter.  biggrin.gif

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i won't return to win 7 again cos slow. i'm waiting win 10.1 whistling.gif

ssd don't perform so great on win 7 so just use win 8.1
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Apr 28 2015, 07:48 PM)
i won't return to win 7 again cos slow. i'm waiting win 10.1  whistling.gif 

ssd don't perform so great on win 7 so just use win 8.1
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haha so true laugh.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
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post Apr 29 2015, 12:15 AM

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Need some advise, I accidentally damage the power supply connector of my when installing a new HDD. The plastic on top of the pin damaged.
Now I still able to use it(have to use tape to secure it), should I send it for repair?

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 28 2015, 06:53 PM)
190MB/s is damn fast already, i'm not sure if UASP going to increase the performance further. sweat.gif
Too bad i dont have spare SSD to test the UASP mode vs the normal mode.

Or just get it from amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E1JAB3...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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hm.. after reading through the right way to get that good speed, i think i will just sit this one out, and wait for usb 3.1.

i just remembered that some one in this forum have told me about the complete compatibility of usb 3.0 enclosures with uasp support. actually you need a compatible host also. uasp was implemented in older mobo's before (z77, z87 mobos. need to check out the actual implementations), but i guess for cost reasons and the limited availability of uasp-capable enclosures, that part was absent in new mobos (most z97 in the market, except for some that are from asus).

without the whole set, you will never get close to full speed, which is pointless imo.

QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2015, 12:15 AM)
Need some advise, I accidentally damage the power supply connector of my when installing a new HDD. The plastic on top of the pin damaged.
Now I still able to use it(have to use tape to secure it), should I send it for repair?
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first, back your data up while you can.

i am not sure if there is any place to fix the damaged part. maybe someone else have something to share.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 01:45 AM)
hm.. after reading through the right way to get that good speed, i think i will just sit this one out, and wait for usb 3.1.

i just remembered that some one in this forum have told me about the complete compatibility of usb 3.0 enclosures with uasp support. actually you need a compatible host also. uasp was implemented in older mobo's before (z77, z87 mobos. need to check out the actual implementations), but i guess for cost reasons and the limited availability of uasp-capable enclosures, that part was absent in new mobos (most z97 in the market, except for some that are from asus).

without the whole set, you will never get close to full speed, which is pointless imo.
first, back your data up while you can.

i am not sure if there is any place to fix the damaged part. maybe someone else have something to share.
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i rarely change mobo and CPU so i wouldn't know much sweat.gif
i'm using Asus M5A99X for years, here are the fast inaccurate benchmark with UASP mode on and off:
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USB3 Thumbdrives are supported, tested with verbatim OTG and Sandisk extreme, both aren't even mention any "UASP" mode or boost feature on their package, i guess all of them work out of box.
i have yet to try the 1TB WD passport.

So far most of the ASUS board support this feature, i checked gigabyte mobo, some models does not seems to mention any of the USB3 boost related function sweat.gif
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 29 2015, 02:25 AM)
i rarely change mobo and CPU so i wouldn't know much sweat.gif
i'm using Asus M5A99X for years, here are the fast inaccurate benchmark with UASP mode on and off:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


USB3 Thumbdrives are supported, tested with verbatim OTG and Sandisk extreme, both aren't even mention any "UASP" mode or boost feature on their package, i guess all of them work out of box.
i have yet to try the 1TB WD passport.

So far most of the ASUS board support this feature, i checked gigabyte mobo, some models does not seems to mention any of the USB3 boost related function sweat.gif
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haha a lot of us don't do that either.

for uasp compatibility, it's kind of like a buzz thing at that point of time. moving forward, i guess usb3.1 is one of the good choices in near future.

right, only asus is persistent in having this on their mobos.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 01:45 AM)
hm.. after reading through the right way to get that good speed, i think i will just sit this one out, and wait for usb 3.1.

i just remembered that some one in this forum have told me about the complete compatibility of usb 3.0 enclosures with uasp support. actually you need a compatible host also. uasp was implemented in older mobo's before (z77, z87 mobos. need to check out the actual implementations), but i guess for cost reasons and the limited availability of uasp-capable enclosures, that part was absent in new mobos (most z97 in the market, except for some that are from asus).

without the whole set, you will never get close to full speed, which is pointless imo.
first, back your data up while you can.

i am not sure if there is any place to fix the damaged part. maybe someone else have something to share.
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Already talk to the Kingston tech support and they requested a photo for it and see what they can do.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2015, 09:23 AM)
Already talk to the Kingston tech support and they requested a photo for it and see what they can do.
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that's nice to hear man smile.gif it's good to know that someone official still care about us consumers.

off topic:after reading through threads about bad rma things, like this pinned topic, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/861703 (looking at how sellers responded to it), and asus complaint topics, i am really not happy to let local shops and distributors to earn my money.

i especially feel annoyed about local distributors that handle rma process for their own goods. (money they take, service they don't deliver properly. wtf?) the rma processes are so bad that at some point of time i thought that it was pointless to get stuff locally (lengthy, takes months for them to get their asses up to fulfill; no guarantee that the replaced unit will work; on top of that we need to pay to get things moving. another wtf?). there is no difference between being eligible for rma but getting abused by them, and getting stuff elsewhere and get disqualified for warranty. (for the latter you don't feel anything bad because it's one of the calculated risks)

sorry for whining about something unrelated. it's in my head for some years, and i never complained about local sellers here about being slow, late, unresponsive, sometimes kind of arrogant, with missing parts in goods they sent, etc. yeah for the livelihood of local markets, i still choose to spend here. i believe i have done my part. all i ask is just deliver what you have promised.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 10:27 AM)
that's nice to hear man smile.gif it's good to know that someone official still care about us consumers.

off topic:after reading through threads about bad rma things, like this pinned topic, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/861703 (looking at how sellers responded to it), and asus complaint topics, i am really not happy to let local shops and distributors to earn my money.

i especially feel annoyed about local distributors that handle rma process for their own goods. (money they take, service they don't deliver properly. wtf?) the rma processes are so bad that at some point of time i thought that it was pointless to get stuff locally (lengthy, takes months for them to get their asses up to fulfill; no guarantee that the replaced unit will work; on top of that we need to pay to get things moving. another wtf?). there is no difference between being eligible for rma but getting abused by them, and getting stuff elsewhere and get disqualified for warranty. (for the latter you don't feel anything bad because it's one of the calculated risks)

sorry for whining about something unrelated. it's in my head for some years, and i never complained about local sellers here about being slow, late, unresponsive, sometimes kind of arrogant, with missing parts in goods they sent, etc. yeah for the livelihood of local markets, i still choose to spend here. i believe i have done my part. all i ask is just deliver what you have promised.
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Worst case will be, I strip out my old SATA HDD's connection and put to this SSD. I just need an electronic repairman to do the soldering works.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2015, 12:13 PM)
Worst case will be, I strip out my old SATA HDD's connection and put to this SSD. I just need an electronic repairman to do the soldering works.
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if it's worth to try why not? good luck.

all in all, just maintain regular multiple system and data backups at all times. multiple backups are critical for important data. if you have at least 2 copies of them, you should be safe from almost any failure. (just don't put them in the same machine) i had several cases of hardware failure due to improper handling. that simple backup plan saved me a lot of time and efforts.

if possible, encrypt the drives. if the storage is faulty, you don't need to worry about its contents and you can do rma straightaway. (ok if you had the chance, wipe it clean before rma. but if you don't get that chance, it can help prevent certain levels of malicious data rediscovery by someone else) there are always pro's and con's in encrypted drives, but again multiple backup copies will save you from terrible experience, i.e. unable to recover data properly because of encryption.


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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 01:04 PM)
if it's worth to try why not? good luck.

all in all, just maintain regular multiple system and data backups at all times. multiple backups are critical for important data. if you have at least 2 copies of them, you should be safe from almost any failure. (just don't put them in the same machine) i had several cases of hardware failure due to improper handling. that simple backup plan saved me a lot of time and efforts.

if possible, encrypt the drives. if the storage is faulty, you don't need to worry about its contents and you can do rma straightaway. (ok if you had the chance, wipe it clean before rma. but if you don't get that chance, it can help prevent certain levels of malicious data rediscovery by someone else) there are always pro's and con's in encrypted drives, but again multiple backup copies will save you from terrible experience, i.e. unable to recover data properly because of encryption.
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As read on Kingston's tech support, they will on the spot clear all the data before starting the repair works, so no issues on this.
Remember, SSD will last longer compare to conventional HDD, so as long as the repair cost does not > 50% of buying price, I think still worth a try icon_rolleyes.gif

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