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Oyaji
post May 28 2017, 10:52 PM

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Anybody using WD 1tb SSD? What is the verdict of this SSD? Are they worth the price? Being thinking of getting one for storage & as a replacement for one of my dying HDD.
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post May 29 2017, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ May 28 2017, 10:52 PM)
Anybody using WD 1tb SSD? What is the verdict of this SSD? Are they worth the price? Being thinking of getting one for storage & as a replacement for one of my dying HDD.
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from specs and reviews available online, it's a budget ssd, at the same range as samsung 750 evo; based on sandisk oem x400 (using planar/2d tlc, not 3d tlc). it uses marvell controller, sandisk nand, has dram, comes with a better endurance rating (400tbw for 1tb variant; even higher than some high end sata ssds). all seemed ok, just the price is at the higher side. for storage purposes, note that budget ssds usually have much slower write speed for tlc-based ssd (especially planar tlc), they might not be as speedier once its slc cache limit is reached. (i still think hdd is the better option for mass storage tbh)

for real-world use, it's still better to wait for comments from actual users.


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post Jun 3 2017, 05:57 PM

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sata 3 has 600MB/s

however from SSD reviews, theres many tests carried out and the read / write speed varies from 100 MB/s to 500MB/s.

what test is important and we should look at? I plan use for the SSD is for internet browsing, streaming and 1080p gaming.

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post Jun 3 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 3 2017, 05:57 PM)
horns

sata 3 has 600MB/s

however from SSD reviews, theres many tests carried out and the read / write speed varies from 100 MB/s to 500MB/s.

what test is important and we should look at? I plan use for the SSD is for internet browsing, streaming and 1080p gaming.
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The faster the better haha
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post Jun 4 2017, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 3 2017, 05:57 PM)
horns

sata 3 has 600MB/s

however from SSD reviews, theres many tests carried out and the read / write speed varies from 100 MB/s to 500MB/s.

what test is important and we should look at? I plan use for the SSD is for internet browsing, streaming and 1080p gaming.
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charts/graphs about mixed client workloads, and 4k random reads/writes (iops) usually represent better for typical user loads. also, look at sequential read/write charts, and random read/write charts. namely, to have better judgements about performance of a ssd, we usually look at the combination of 3 areas: through puts, iops, and iops latency; not just one.

what you mentioned above is just through puts (i.e. sequential data transfer rates). for sata3-based sequential reads/writes, 600MB/s is theoretical; marketing tells you their drives can go up to 550MB/s; in real world, it's more like 100MB/s to 480MB/s, depending on things like usage-os drive or storage; workloads; nand chip type; controller; dram; driver; os; etc.)

edit: ssd is just storage. the fundamentals are the same.

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post Jun 4 2017, 06:21 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 4 2017, 01:19 AM)
charts/graphs about mixed client workloads, and 4k random reads/writes (iops) usually represent better for typical user loads. also, look at sequential read/write charts, and random read/write charts. namely, to have better judgements about performance of a ssd, we usually look at the combination of 3 areas: through puts, iops, and iops latency; not just one.

what you mentioned above is just through puts (i.e. sequential data transfer rates). for sata3-based sequential reads/writes, 600MB/s is theoretical; marketing tells you their drives can go up to 550MB/s; in real world, it's more like 100MB/s to 480MB/s, depending on things like usage-os drive or storage; workloads; nand chip type; controller; dram; driver; os; etc.)

edit: ssd is just storage. the fundamentals are the same.
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please recommend

the 2 best budget SSD and
the 2 best mainstream SSD

in term of gaming in 1080p.

looking for 240-256GB SSD

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post Jun 4 2017, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 4 2017, 06:21 AM)
please recommend

the 2 best budget SSD and
the 2 best mainstream SSD

in term of gaming in 1080p.

looking for 240-256GB SSD
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for mainstream, samsung 850 evo.

for budget ssd, not sure. just go for well-known brands like intel, samsung, crucial, kingston and sandisk.

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post Jun 5 2017, 12:50 PM

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for budget just buy 2nd hand one..hehe
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post Jun 5 2017, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Jun 5 2017, 12:50 PM)
for budget just buy 2nd hand one..hehe
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it's an option if you're really on a tight budget.

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post Jun 6 2017, 01:55 PM

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Guys need some advice. I just bought a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD and I'm thinking of using some spare heatsinks from an old video card and thermal tape to cool down the SSD. The temps are actually OK so far (40c idle, up to 50c load) but i think can do better.

The thing is I've read that removing the sticker from the SSD voids the warranty, so I'm wondering is it worth taking the risk. If it doesn't affect the warrant of if no more warranty I wouldn't think twice to be honest, but this thing costs me 1k+ so it's no trivial matter to me hmm.gif

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I think it might be throttling cause if you see the last benchmark it's much lower than usual for this drive.

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post Jun 6 2017, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(artyom @ Jun 6 2017, 01:55 PM)
Guys need some advice. I just bought a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD and I'm thinking of using some spare heatsinks from an old video card and thermal tape to cool down the SSD. The temps are actually OK so far (40c idle, up to 50c load) but i think can do better.

The thing is I've read that removing the sticker from the SSD voids the warranty, so I'm wondering is it worth taking the risk. If it doesn't affect the warrant of if no more warranty I wouldn't think twice to be honest, but this thing costs me 1k+ so it's no trivial matter to me  hmm.gif

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I think it might be throttling cause if you see the last benchmark it's much lower than usual for this drive.
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uh? it looks normal to me. the last one is 4k benchmark. it's always the slowest of all in crystaldiskmark. you can check them out online for comparison (remember to compare label to label, e.g. 4k vs 4k; crystaldiskmark changed sequences to display results for some reasons)

for normal use and gaming, you will not trigger such throttles, as long as air flow is adequate (the sticker on 960 evo is copper film that helps heat spreading). it's when you use it as storage and do transfers of large files for a long period of time that you need cooling mods like this. 40c idle and 50c on load are in normal non-throttle range. (estimated throttling point is above 70c+)

i do use pcie adapter with heat sink to house 960 evo. i didn't take the sticker off. it's still cooler with heat sink (around 45c under load; by load i mean creating multiple vms on the ssd (at least 40gb each), and transfer them to different ssd storage after that). compared to my sm951, which had its sticker removed entirely, sm951 is cooler but by few c only.

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sifu, i know i should try googling but is there a way to move existing OS from HDD to a new SSD? i have too many programs, apps and games to be reinstalled all over again.
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post Jun 7 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(SnoopyDevil @ Jun 7 2017, 01:39 PM)
sifu, i know i should try googling but is there a way to move existing OS from HDD to a new SSD? i have too many programs, apps and games to be reinstalled all over again.
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if this is the case, your best option is to use disk cloning tools, either from manufacturers or third-party. disk cloning does work if your existing setup is good to go (meaning there is no need to adjust hardware settings, drivers are all ok, etc). the process involves cloning hdd to with ssd, with ssd attached to usb adapter. after the cloning is done, unplug the hdd from system, and replace the ssd as boot device in bios, and boot from it.

do not touch the hdd until everything is fine running on ssd. (you might need it again if something happened)

still, to get rid of other potential issues later on, a clean install is always the best way to start with.


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post Jun 7 2017, 04:01 PM

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Samsung 960 EVO suitable for vostro 5568? because vostro having M.2 Slot.
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post Jun 7 2017, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(jack88001 @ Jun 7 2017, 04:01 PM)
Samsung 960 EVO suitable for vostro 5568? because vostro having M.2 Slot.
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no it will not work. dell vostro 5568 supports m.2 sata ssd only. 960 evo is m.2 pcie ssd.
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post Jun 7 2017, 11:57 PM

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For those who are interested you can get Samsung 1TB PM961(almost equivalent to 960 EVO) from me here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4317802
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post Jun 8 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 4 2017, 01:23 PM)
for mainstream, samsung 850 evo.

for budget ssd, not sure. just go for well-known brands like intel, samsung, crucial, kingston and sandisk.
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not sure this been discussed before.

ever wonder the 120GB of WD Green/Blue SSD? Looking for budget one for my friend as Samsung 850 EVO are out of budget.

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post Jun 8 2017, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 8 2017, 12:54 PM)
not sure this been discussed before.

ever wonder the 120GB of WD Green/Blue SSD? Looking for budget one for my friend as Samsung 850 EVO are out of budget.
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it's been lightly discussed above; still waiting for real owners to provide more precise inputs.

compared to hdd, it should be ok if it's for normal use. (i bet it's meant for os disk only based on the size) you still can benefit from high iops and low latency. however real-world sequential read/write speeds might not be as good as 250gb and up.
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post Jun 9 2017, 08:20 AM

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Dam SSD price still fkin stagnant after mid year waiting already doh.gif doh.gif I was itching 1TB very long while already rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jun 9 2017, 08:20 AM)
Dam SSD price still fkin stagnant after mid year waiting already doh.gif doh.gif I was itching 1TB very long while already rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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probably you will need to wait for a while :/

or, maybe consider oem. i saw AceCombat selling samsung pm851a below myr 1k (basically an oem version of 850 evo)

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