you can still use a pcie adapter to house the m.2 ssd. that should work.

Oh :/

Haswell ITX only Z board has maybe. for Skylake, these Asus one support m.2 pcie x4:

H170I-PLUS D3 LGA 1151 ITX - RM 522, this one only support DDR3 1866(O.C.)/1600/1333 MHz o.0

B150I PRO GAMING/AURA LGA 1151 ITX- RM 556 (DDR4)

MITX much expensive =/ but having the m.2 slot really nice if in a small case where only can use 2.5" disks.

does H97 actually have enough PCIE lanes for x4 NVME? i think it will only run at x2 speed (up to 10 Gbit/s). with Skylake then can x4 speed.

that's nice! at least you have an option to keep using mitx.

when i purchase mobos i look kind of further (maybe too far ahead), because i wanna use them for storage only when they get old and replaced. (after changing cmos battery, they should be good to go hehe)

while it is much to be expected after WD acquired SanDisk, didn't expect them to be this fast:



http://www.tech-critter.com/2016/10/wester...d-blue-and.html

Hi I'm new here. As I read the guide.

I've a question,

1. Do I need to reformat my pc for adding this SSD into my current pc?

2. My window installation CD went missing. Meaning to say I've to get a new window installation?

or, just grab one when you really need it.

ssd development is still at a very young age. new ssd technologies appear every year. we all get better ssd technologies along the way (in general, as long as they are implemented). so just be cool as usual, and strikes when necessary.

on a side note, you might ask, how good are these new technologies? only time will tell. when i read the google's 6-year study on ssd use at their data center previously (enterprise ssds; for non-human 24/7 heavy operations), it said a lot of things relatively, like nand's age affects endurance rather than usage; lithography affects nand's reliability; ssd is more reliable than hdd; expensive slc is not better / more reliable than mlc; etc. but, some also said the study means nothing, because it's based on 6-year-old drives (because if you looked at ssd technology advancements in the past years, things have changed a lot)

ssd will not last forever, but it will outlast generations of your computer builds. while it still lasts, just use it. don't worry about endurance, because we human cannot do anything sane like what's done by servers at data center.

for consumer ssd, pick a good brand with relatively good records. you will have least issues.

haha yeah

for price/gb sweet spots, i think it's better for you to do straight-forward comparisons for the models that you're interested in. cross check with their features and warranty/tbw/dwpd, controller, ram size, nand type, etc. if you want.

about pcie ssds, i think samsung is doing something with its 960evo. for instance, sata-based 500gb 850evo is like myr800+ here. from the pre-ordering page, 500gb 960evo is about myr1k+ (just about myr200 difference; later the price might drop a little). with a crude performance check between the two, 960evo is like 6x faster than 850evo on paper. since my boot drive only house os and software that i use daily (i.e. more reads, way less writes; my temp folders are in ram disk; i don't need sustainable read/write speeds for os drive either), i will pick 960evo for sure, especially for laptops. (imo in terms of laptops, due to limited pcie lanes in general, pcie 3.0 x4 bandwidth might be the max that we can get for ssds for years to come. i might be wrong, but for my own use i have yet to find things i do that can make full use of that crazy speed; so i think it's fine for me to get some hehe)

of course if sata speed is already good enough, there is no need to get pcie ssd because you probably will not get any benefit from it, beside some extents of speed improvements here and there but not all.

i think pny cs1311 is a tlc ssd which uses phison s10 as controller (like kingston hyperx savage; zotac premium; and several others). its write speed might suffer if the capacity is small. 480gb and up should be ok.

yeah it's terrible here :/ as a consumer, i wanna spend money here to support local sellers; and i don't think most of us mind if the price is fair. however, if distri's / sellers' intents are just to make easy money out of us with the least efforts, then eff them. consumers do have choices. that's why sometimes i just grabbed stuffs from else where if risks are manageable; saved a lot if you bought in bulk you know. i used the money i saved to get more as buffer units just in case. this increased the quantity of my purchase and i was offered better discounts. note that discounts were offered proactively; no tricks or whatever; i don't need to entertain perangai biadap and insulting gestures; no need wasting time bargaining this and that like aunties buying sayur in pasar.

(hehe off-topic but some local reps are really having bad attitudes; they always forget that we are the ones who help them fulfill their quotas every month, and we always have other options)
not sure. however i think it will be soon.

well, they are in different categories. besides that speed, i still think 950pro is better.

Not true. Harddisks now have automatic head parking technology for at least a decade and therefore will probably have less issues with power failures compared to ssds. Consumer SSDs without power loss protection are more susceptible to extreme data loss/corruption during power failures unlike harddisks unless the user has a UPS.
TLC was just starting to be common years ago, its now the most common nand for consumer ssds.

Casual users who just use their pc's for playing videos and games probably won't notice the drawbacks of tlc. Degraded read speeds from voltage drift is a general problem and there is no real fix except for brute force data overwrites on a regular basis through the firmware which will reduce endurance. Having to rely on more advanced data error correction codes also reduces read speed significantly. There hasn't been much interest in investigating this issue by more mainstream reviewers but someone has documented the heavy drop in read speeds for the BX200 and he mentions the SP550 also has similar issues.
https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=117557

nice man

i'm still waiting; hopefully they will land here very soon.

off-topic: these days we have to wait more patiently than ever. i first thought of getting stuff from evga a few days ago, then there was this news about their gpus had vrm issues due to lack of thermal pads in those areas. they do have mid plate that covers the vrm, but i read that they didn't put thermal pads between those chips and the plate? wow.

for those who wanna mod their gpu with nzxt g10 and aio water coolers (gpu core temp is always under 50c with loads; i did this with my gtx 980ti), make sure your gpu has a metal mid plate to help dissipate heats from memory and vrm chips (or you can also buy third party heat sinks, and put them on top of the chips) not all manufacturers put mid plate to cover these parts (due to stock cooler designs) (eg. asus strix 980/1080; well, many don't have mid plate)

some will tell you it's ok without additional heat spreaders, because the chips can withstand high temperatures like 125c. while it's true in general, don't listen to them.

well, as long as it's faster than hdd. intel 530 is not a bad drive compared to many new ssds within same range today. it's just that we had better options at the time of purchase only.

yes, the point of having a mid plate is to cool parts that get heated quickly. thermal pads must be in place to make sure proper contacts are maintained between the plate and components to be cooled.

oh they're chokes? from thermal images, they labelled the hottest areas as vrm. all in all, i just hope experienced manufacturers like them can build things without taking away basic stuff like thermal pads and heat sinks.

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sources:
http://www.tomshardware.de/nvidia-geforce-...e-242137-2.html
https://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/49734/overv...biedt-oplossing

yes now i agree about simplifying stuff for convenience hehe (if you asked me to point out which chip is what, i honestly cannot tell hahaha!)

imo evga did it right; however if they did it right during production, there is no such fuss now. cost cutting is a good practice in business, just don't cut the wrong one because doing so will have side effects.

No. Ssd's can hard brick after a power failure if the FTA table gets corrupted due to power loss, even if it is rare which isn't the case with disks even it is mechanical because of what I talked about.
Current cheaper ssd which cut more corners may be even more susceptible to power loss failures.
That doesn't make any sense. Ssds are supposed to be fast otherwise there wouldn't be a point paying the same amount for about 1000 times less storage capacity.
Then you have no idea about what I'm talking about. This is an issue about tlc voltage drift which affect performance in a very short time. Especially when you say that your only experience and knowledge about tlc is with Samsung's v-nand drives.

The 840evo has a 2nd firmware update since the first fix wasn't successful. The 2nd fix is basically a brute force fix by overwriting the same data on the spot alot more frequently to stop performance degradation.
Yes you get it. We are getting a lower quality product for the same price point.

anyone here with  240/480gb PNY CS1131 or kingston uv400 to share some thoughts on it?

SSD Sifus:

Sandisk 240GB SSD Plus

http://www.lazada.com.my/sandisk-ssd-plus-...96.html?boost=1

Is this product a steal or actually worth the price?