Lucifer can mean both way in Latin as per below link. The question is why would a Pope knowing the controversy surrounding the word chose to use the word in ceremony. Kind of odd.

http://www.gotquestions.org/morning-star.html

Question: "Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?"

Answer: The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (NIV). The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to Satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to Satan. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and Satan described as the “morning star”?

It is interesting to note that the concept of the “morning star” is not the only concept that is applied to both Jesus and Satan. In Revelation 5:5, Jesus is referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. In 1 Peter 5:8, Satan is compared to a lion, seeking someone to devour. The point is this, both Jesus and Satan, to a certain extent, have similarities to lions. Jesus is similar to a lion in that He is the King, He is royal and majestic. Satan is similar to a lion in that he seeks to devour other creatures. That is where the similarities between Jesus, Satan, and lions end, however. Jesus and Satan are like lions in very different ways.

The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others. Satan, as perhaps the most beautiful creation of God, probably the most powerful of all the angels, was a bright morning star. Jesus, as God incarnate, the Lord of the universe, is THE bright and morning star. Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe. So, while both Jesus and Satan can be described as “bright morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and Satan. Satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it. Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is self-existent. Satan may be a bright morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world.

either you are blind or plain stupid or whatever, did i say you are getting any $$$ from RCC? i merely stated some of the reasons protestants left for RCC unless you are one getting $$$ from RCC, otherwise, you wouldn't feel the pinch then.

Peter Waldo, John Wycliffe, and Jan Hus, started to see the evil system of RCC but not succesful in overturning and were executed by RCC. Only Luther escape from RCC execution. All these were products of RCC and would bound to bring along some traditions of RCC.

I respect them even some of the what so called "early Fathers" of RCC but whatever they taught has to be supported by scriptures. This is the same as Traditions or traditions.

well...seems like Pope Francis is involved in Freemanson. There are so many articles on why Pope Benedict resigned. Some of them are charges by EU, gay issues and etc.. But all these are acceptable by Uncle Yee as it is God that put Pope Francis there. The Church will not fall which I fully agree as The Church has to fulfill the prophesy of Revelation 13.

This post has been edited by shioks: Jun 30 2016, 02:31 PM

you sure you are rational person not Taliban?

you are either blind or refused to see comments not in your believe. I have commented that "Lucifer can mean both way in Latin as per below link. The question is why would a Pope knowing the controversy surrounding the word chose to use the word in ceremony. Kind of odd."

Pope Francis is a controversial pope especially how he become a pope by dislodging Pope Benedict and his Freemason background chose to use the word Lucifer for public worship is questionable. And, yet you failed to see this!

what made you think we don't read RCC sources? To use your favourite term, you are too "presumptuous".

well...to a person like you with no holy spirit dwell in you, it is kind of hard for you to understand. You only practice religious worship and being spoon fed by the authority of RCC.

http://rzim.org/a-slice-of-infinity/august...1063c4-47758317


Augustine in 2016
Posted by Jill Carattini on July 1, 2016

Anyone who has ever walked through the halls of the great philosophers, early church leaders, or ancient rhetoricians or ethicists has inevitably stumbled upon the person and work of Augustine of Hippo. In his lifetime, Augustine served as a professor for over a decade, established a school of rhetoric, acted as bishop of Hippo, argued fluently in crucial theological debates, and authored over a hundred separate titles. He was the most quoted theologian throughout the Middle Ages, and is considered a great doctor of the early church. But his theology continued to make an impression on the broader Christian church and later Western thought as well. Augustine is easily considered one of the more influential contributors toward the Western mindset; he was also a favorite theologian among the protestant reformers of the 16th century.

Augustine’s voice was prominent in the development of the church’s theology concerning the validity of the sacraments and the nature of the church itself. The Donatist controversy had raised questions concerning the efficacy of the Lord’s Supper when administered by clergymen who had lapsed in their faith. The Donatists insisted that those who received the right of baptism or the sacrament of communion from a faulted priest were not truly baptized or cleansed through communion. But Augustine argued insistently that the efficacy of the sacraments does not depend upon the human agent who administers them, but rather upon Jesus Christ who instituted them in the first place. Likewise, the holiness of the church is not maintained by the level of virtue among its members, but by the holiness of the one they claim to follow. Quoting the apostle Paul, “It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness, and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30).

Fra Angelico, “The Conversion of St. Augustine,” 1430.

Augustine’s theological views arising from the Pelagian controversy were equally influential to the church as we know it. Pelagius was a monk who began teaching that human nature was not corrupted by Adam’s fall, that humanity had no inherent inclination toward evil, but only bad habits that resulted in sin, and that salvation was thus an earned reward. Augustine saw this teaching as incredibly dangerous, unbiblical, and irresponsible. His writings against pelagianism averred the absolute necessity of God’s grace in salvation, the irrefutable evidence of original sin, and the great hope of God’s sovereignty in the work of redemption. He was insistent upon the expectant words of Scripture: “When you were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive together with him, when he forgave us all our trespasses, erasing the record that stood against us with its legal demands. He set this aside, nailing it to the cross” (Colossians 2:13-14).

Today these theological teachings remain significant for a church that is still living within a world wanting to claim full autonomy, disclaim the concept of sin, and undermine the gift of Christ. Like Augustine, we hold fast to a message some do not want to hear—namely, fallen humanity, left to its own devices, is incapable of entering into a relationship with God. Yet, it is from this darkened vantage point that we are able to see the fullness of light because, from here, by the Spirit, we can see a God who intervened, coming into our desperation to change the outcome entirely. Through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, we are re-made. For Augustine in a world of heresy or for Christians today in a sea of pluralism, we see that humanity must depend upon God for salvation and that God alone sufficiently meets our needs. What we cannot do for ourselves, God has accomplished through his holy, human Son.

There may seem at first a great gap between Augustine’s world and our own. Perhaps in the end we are not that far apart. Regardless, there is thankfully one who effectively bridges the far greater gap between creation and its Creator.



Jill Carattini is managing editor of A Slice of Infinity at Ravi Zacharias International Ministries in Atlanta, Georgia.
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some interesting links on pope Francis and Freemason:

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/masonic...kes-francis.htm

http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/uncategori...l-be-his-slave/

https://veritas-vincit-international.org/20...t-pope-francis/

I guess this is what sylar111 has been talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alexandrinus

Some comments on NIV bible:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/worship.htm



NIV Translators Are Ok with Worshipping Satan; But Not Jesus!

By David J. Stewart

America is dying for men of God today. Preachers are dime-a-dozen; but few men truly walk with the God of the Bible. One of the biggest problems is that Satan has duped preachers out of their Bible, under the pretense of a "new" and "improved" bible, which is no Bible at all. The New International Bible (NIV) is by far the most popular Bible today; yet, it is saturated with damnable heresies.

STRONG'S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE OF THE BIBLE shows that the SAME Greek word is used for the word "worship" in Matthew 8:2 and 20:20, as in Revelation 13:12,15 and 14:11. Yet, deceitfully, the translators of the NIV used the word "bowed" in Matthew 8:2 and 20:20; BUT kept the word "worship" to refer to Satan in Revelation 13:12,15 and 14:11.

So the NIV translators don't have a problem with anyone worshipping Satan (i.e., the Beast); they only have a problem with someone WORSHIPPING JESUS. What do you expect from homosexual translators? Check for yourself and you'll learn that the same Greek word for worship, proskuneo, is used in both Matthew 8:2 and Matthew 20:20, as in Revelation 13:12,15 and Revelation 14:11. So why did the NIV translators dishonestly remove all New Testament references to anyone WORSHIPPING the Lord Jesus Christ?

In fact, the NIV removes the name above every other name (Philippians 2:9,10), Jesus, in 38 places. Why would any Bible translator remove the name of "Jesus" from the Word of God in 38 places? It is obvious to me that the people who produced the NIV were not Christians in any sense of the word. They are heretics.

What Bible are you using my friend? I hope you'll use the King James Bible (and not the "New" King James Bible, because it is also corrupt). No other Bible today uplifts the name of Jesus, His deity, and the Godhead as does the precious King James Bible.


Butchering the Bible

So what's wrong with the NIV? In a word... EVERYTHING! Do you have any idea how many things were eviscerated (disemboweled) from the Bible by the NIV authors? Hundreds of words, phrases, and even entire Bible verses were removed from the Word of God by the NIV butchers.

Whereas the King James Bible mentions the "Godhead" three times, the NIV has completely removed the word. You won't find the word "propitiation" in the NIV either. In fact, all of the following words have been removed from the Bible by the NIV butchers: regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, Messiah, quickened, infallible, et cetera.

One of the most blasphemous omissions in the NIV is in John 3:16 where Jesus is no longer proclaimed as the "only BEGOTTEN Son of God." Yes, that's right, the NIV butchers removed the word "begotten" from John 3:16. How in the name of truth and justice could any professed Christian use the New International Version? Yet, it's the most popular bible version sold on the market today. If I had a billion dollars, I'd make an offer to churches all across America. I'd exchange brand new King James Bibles for their perverted NIVs. I'd give them new Bibles for their old corrupt bibles. They would first have to give me their NIVs so I could BURN THEM! I'd burn every NIV I could find.

That's not all that the wicked NIV deceivers took out of the Bible. The word "sodomite" is completely gone, as are the words: fornication, trucebreakers, winebibbers, carnal, slothful, unthankful, effeminate, backbiting, vanity, lasciviousness, whoredom, devils, Lucifer, damnation, brimstone, and the bottomless pit. I'm not kidding, go check for yourself! All these words in the King James Bible have been stricken from the New International Version. We ought to call it the H.I.V., because it's more deadly than the AIDS virus. 2nd Timothy 2:15 instructs each believer to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Well, the NIV also removes the word "study" from this verse.

To no surprise, Paul's admonition against "science falsely so called" in 1st Timothy 6:20 is gone too, and there are no longer any fables to avoid. Of the 54 times "hell" is mentioned in the King James Bible, the NIV reduces it down to 14 times. The King James Bible states in 1st Timothy 3:16 that "GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH"; but the NIV waters it down to... he was revealed in a body. In Philippians 2:6 of the NIV Jesus is no longer EQUAL with God; but rather, could not grasp equality with God. The NIV is Wicked! Vile! Blasphemy! Why would anyone use the NIV?


The Moody Broadcasting Network is Wrong!

According to the 1928 DOCTRINAL STATEMENT by the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE...

The Bible is without error in all it affirms in the original autographs and is the only authoritative guide for faith and practice and as such must not be supplanted by any other fields of human learning. [emphasis added]

SOURCE: MBI—Moody Broadcasting Network: Doctrinal Statement

Only in the original autographs? That is absurd! The New Testament contains hundreds of quotes from COPIES of Old Testament Scriptures. The writers of the New Testament didn't have any of the original Old Testament autographs to copy from. They copied from copies of the autographs. We read in 2nd Timothy 3:15 concerning Timothy, "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." The only Scriptures which Timothy had, or anyone else at that time, were COPIES of the original manuscripts.

To claim that God's Word is only "without error" in the original autographs is to boldly and clearly claim that we do not have an inerrant Bible today, that God has not preserved His Word as He promised in Psalm 12:6-7, and that Christians today are at the mercy of the intelligentsia to tell us which of the hundreds of Bibles on the market are God's Word. Only an ignorant or dishonest theologian would tell people to do their best to sort through the myriad of bibles on the market today, in hopes of finding God's Word.

Did God Only Inspire the Original Autographs of the Bible?

Perhaps you ask, "Why can't we just go look at the Greek manuscripts of the Bible?" Unfortunately, in the 19th century "scholars" claimed to have found "new" and "improved" Greek manuscripts from Alexandria, Egypt. These allegedly more reliable texts were used by two heretics, Westcott and Hort, to form the basis of nearly every corrupt bible being published today. In fact, the New World Translation which the Jehovah's Witnesses use has it's origin in the exact SAME Greek of Westcott and Hort as does the New International Version.

Even the New King James Bible is rooted in the work of Westcott and Hort, sharing all of the same perversions as are found in the NIV. Only the King James Bible has escaped the butchers of God's Word, which was completed in 1611.

We DO have God's preserved Word today, just as He promised in Psalm 12:6-7...

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

God has promised to PRESERVE His Word unto all generations. Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 5:18, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." A "jot" and a "tittle" are the smallest grammatical marks in the Greek language. How foolish it is for anyone to claim that God's perfect Word doesn't exist today. According to Moody Bible Institute we don't have a reliable Bible, because we have no original autographs today.

Archaeologists have discovered over 5,000 ancient Bible writings in various primitive forms, throughout the Holy Land. Some are complete, most just fragments. There is simply no way of knowing for sure if these are originals or not. The Alexandrian texts from Egypt are certainly corrupt, and unreliable; yet everyone using an NIV is being brainwashed by them.

Also, consider that the Bible Itself is a compilation of 66 separate Books. By the time the Word of God was completed around 96 A.D., it was largely a compilation of copies. There were no original autographs of the Old Testament.


Conclusion

Get a King James Bible!

Something is very wrong with a bible, i.e., the NIV, that removes every mention of the word "Godhead." Something is very wrong with a bible that refuses to allow people to WORSHIP Jesus Christ; but it's ok to worship the Beast of Revelation and the Image of the Beast. The New International Version is a piece of garbage! If I had my way, I'd burn every NIV in existence, and replace them with King James Bibles.

Say what you will about the King James Bible—there is no other Bible today that uplifts the name of Jesus, promotes His deity, magnifies His majesty, worships His omnipotence, and proclaims His LITERAL blood sacrifice for our sins—than the precious King James Bible!


Some other articles, which are good read:

https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/arti...al-version-niv/

http://www.christianpost.com/news/report-7...iv-bible-50191/

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/KJV/t...sus-the-niv.htm

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/s...on-battles.html

http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-most-ac...-and-deception/


I guess the most accurate Bible would be from the Dead Sea Scrolls especially book of Isaiah. If possible, read the original manuscripts (Greek and etc), understand the cultures and traditions in the era, and with the guide of Holy Spirit.

But, I guess Uncle Yee is using Catholic Bible and not related to NIV, KJV, NKJ and other versions. So make no difference.

This post has been edited by shioks: Jul 2 2016, 02:46 PM

If you have Holy Spirit dwell in you, you would have the appropriate discernment as well as ability to read the Bible.

诬蔑....LOL

Ever heard of the word STUPIDITY?

And you are right?

Most likely all churches will be united under Catholic if they are worshiping Lucifer as per Revelation.

In any case, interesting article here:

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/who-is-t...rist-today.html

Not right. I believe you speak the truth.

I guess even though you are Ang Moh Educated, you English is worst than cinapek like me. Wikipedia did not said this as "spurious claim" as you claimed but stated as "Its interpretation has been disputed, at times, during the past four centuries." And, this arises due to RCC's answers.

You better go back to school to learn your England.

may be you should share the history here since Francis is unprecedently supported by Freemasions.

who cares