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exkaizen
post Mar 8 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(menj @ Mar 8 2015, 11:24 AM)
Lalang fan kata Piala Malaysia tak ada nilai????

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- baru kenal bola sepak malaysia
- pasukan tu hanya menang liga je... Tone dia mesti lain kalo menang piala malaysia
- mesti kata pasukan tu mmg ramai penyokong dari zaman johor fc...
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post Mar 8 2015, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Mar 8 2015, 12:19 PM)
- baru kenal bola sepak malaysia
- pasukan tu hanya menang liga je... Tone dia mesti lain kalo menang piala malaysia
- mesti kata pasukan tu mmg ramai penyokong dari zaman johor fc...
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Memang xde nilai pun
Paling besar pun prestige locally
Piala kampung

aressandro10
post Mar 8 2015, 04:10 PM

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Kalau ikut prestige tournament tu sendiri, bagi aku Piala malaysia tournament paling prestige kat malaysia.

Diikuti rapat dgn liga super.

Jauh bawah sikit baru FA Cup.

Piala AFC dan Piala Sumbangsih tu kira tournamnt bonus.
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post Mar 8 2015, 06:34 PM

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nak prestige buat menang piala malaysia layak afc, bukan piala fa
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post Mar 8 2015, 06:38 PM

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prestige dari segi sejarah je kot. piala tertua di asia
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post Mar 8 2015, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Mar 8 2015, 06:34 PM)
nak prestige buat menang piala malaysia layak afc, bukan piala fa
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Rule afc tak benarkan piala malaysia jd qualification afc..actually tak diiktiraf sng cerita.

League + K.O hanyalah utk continental championship je.

yang unik PM ni sbb dia tertua la mcm akace cakap. And suka atau x ni lah tonomen yg boleh generate crowds in a short period
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Mar 8 2015, 06:34 PM)
nak prestige buat menang piala malaysia layak afc, bukan piala fa
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Exactly. Piala malaysia nampak prestige sbb trofi penutup tahun. Lepas piala malaysia no more competition around 3 months. The longest u hold the trophy ppl will respect u more.

But international FA tak pandang. X value
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post Mar 8 2015, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Mar 8 2015, 06:34 PM)
nak prestige buat menang piala malaysia layak afc, bukan piala fa
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prestige tournament bukan atas hadiah tournament ataupun level coverage tournament tu or even difficulty level tournament tu...


tapi atas keupayaaan tournament tu untuk tarik penonton/sponsor dan kesungguhan teams untuk menang tournament tu. prestige is about how that tournament matters or how much people care.

for instance UCL is more prestigious then FIFA world club cup.


dalam bab prestige, tournament AFC sgt lemah. fans and even participating dont care that much about that tournament. the hype is not there.

even kelab korea dan jepun tak peduli sgt tentang AFC Champions league unless somehow they manage to reach the knockout stage. Not unlike how malaysian team treat afc cup matches.

Kalau atas merit tournament tu sendiri, malaysia cup jauh lagi prestige dan valuable dari AFC Cup.

aku rase main reason is we hardly interested to know who are the player or the teams that play in AFC toutnaments. There are no sense of rivalry. we are only challenging out self against nameless shadows. not interesting at all.

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Mar 8 2015, 07:18 PM)
Rule afc tak benarkan piala malaysia jd qualification afc..actually tak diiktiraf sng cerita.

League + K.O  hanyalah utk continental championship je.

yang unik PM ni sbb dia tertua la mcm akace cakap. And suka atau x ni lah tonomen yg boleh generate crowds in a short period
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thats totally not fair.

apehal AFC nak nick pick pasal format tournament local....league and ko are the best cup format. apehal afc nak bolot format tu untuk derang saja plak.

sepatutnye terpulangla kepada member association. untuk decide siapa wakil yg patut pergi.

bagi aku malaysia cup winner should go instead of fa cup winner...

prestige wise, malaysia cup is just better than fa cup. sebenarnye aku dari dulu lagi rasa fa cup ni macam pelik. macam ade untuk cukup syarat je. filler. macam league cup kat england.

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post Mar 8 2015, 10:58 PM

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haih alangkah bagusnya kalau pemain-pemain bekas pemain Selangor tahu tentang prestige Piala Malaysia itu sendiri. konfem dorang main betul-betul sebelum tinggalkan Selangor.
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post Mar 9 2015, 12:20 AM

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PM ni mcm tradisi. zaman berzaman dari semi pro lagi team cuma nak kejar champion PM je. skrg minda dh open sket dah nampak mana yg lg penting sebenarnya .

bg aku lg baik kejar FA Cup & liga . PM ni kira bonus dah la klu dapat .
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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Mar 8 2015, 10:47 PM)

prestige wise, malaysia cup is just better than fa cup. sebenarnye aku dari dulu lagi rasa fa cup ni macam pelik. macam ade untuk cukup syarat je. filler. macam league cup kat england.
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100% agree with this statement. Selama ni aku tak peduli pun siapa FA Cup winner or even the tournament itself, except for the last three or four years or so. Itu pun sebab champ FA Cup akan layak ke AFC tourney.
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post Mar 9 2015, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 8 2015, 10:58 PM)
haih alangkah bagusnya kalau pemain-pemain bekas pemain Selangor tahu tentang prestige Piala Malaysia itu sendiri. konfem dorang main betul-betul sebelum tinggalkan Selangor.
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Wang > prestige... Nuf said... Huhuhu
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on one hand piala malaysia mmg the best tournament kat malaysia..kadang2 ak treat liga dan FA mcm build up untuk Piala Malaysia je..hahaha tapi piala malaysia gak yg limit kan perkembangan liga..

so saya berbelah bahagi hahaha
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Mar 9 2015, 07:39 AM)
on one hand piala malaysia mmg the best tournament kat malaysia..kadang2 ak treat liga dan FA mcm build up untuk Piala Malaysia je..hahaha tapi piala malaysia gak yg limit kan perkembangan liga..

so saya berbelah bahagi hahaha
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Piala Malaysia jgk shortcut utk coaches / team selamatkan the whole season dorg.

Dah byk example kt liga / fa cup (yg dah amik 2/3 season) teruk..tp PM perform...maka terselamat lah. Same goes the other way round.

Cth mudah selangor la haha. Liga no.2 kot walaupon main style gopal. Tp PM teruk..smp fans turun sound rangel wakakaka

To be honest aku rasa khairul azhan jd mvp pn sbb performance malaysian cup dia aje. No offence to him. He is a good gk tp for me dia x sampai level mvp lah. Altho thn lps not much local players stand out

Thn ni dah nampak player local start brightly early in d season.

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Bagi aku insted of crushing tournament yg dah ade value tradisi dan prestige sendiri yg unik, kita should build on it.

FAM President, being AFC Vice president and all, should lobby for the removal of the draconian rule in selecting AFC Cup representative.

Sepatutnya a simple 1 place for league dan 1 place for cup. Thats it. Tak kisahla format cup tu camne pon.

For our history and football culture, league and Malaysia Cup winners are held in higher value compared anything else and should be our reps for international level tournaments.
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post Mar 9 2015, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Mar 9 2015, 10:45 AM)
Piala Malaysia jgk shortcut utk coaches / team selamatkan the whole season dorg.

Dah byk example kt liga / fa cup (yg dah amik 2/3 season) teruk..tp PM perform...maka terselamat lah.

To be honest aku rasa khairul azhan jd mvp pn sbb performance malaysian cup dia aje. No offence to him. He is a good gk tp for me dia x sampai level mvp lah. Altho thn lps not much local players stand out

Thn ni dah nampak player local start brightly early in d season.
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To be fair, Pahang menang FA Cup dan Malaysia Cup. So Khairul Azhan probaply have a good shot as enybody else for MVP.
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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Mar 9 2015, 10:48 AM)
To be fair, Pahang menang FA Cup dan Malaysia Cup. So Khairul Azhan probaply have a good shot as enybody else for MVP.
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He conceded quite a lot ..rasanya last year ada forumer pnh raise bnd ni.

just a quick check on wiki
14 goals conceded..across 11 matches for PM

7 for 7 in FA. Surely it is not a pretty record to nominate as the best gk / player...
( i cud be wrong if based on wiki alone..)
Phew.

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post Mar 9 2015, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 8 2015, 10:58 PM)
haih alangkah bagusnya kalau pemain-pemain bekas pemain Selangor tahu tentang prestige Piala Malaysia itu sendiri. konfem dorang main betul-betul sebelum tinggalkan Selangor.
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Dulu ye player selangor mesti x nak keluar punya dari selangor sebab reputation yg red giants pegang. La ni ngan pengurusan mcm ayam memang patut pun diorang blah. Bagi old timers selangorians diorg lebih tahu betapa value nya piala malaysia untuk diorg. You have history when you win trophies.
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QUOTE(dedark @ Mar 9 2015, 11:29 AM)
Dulu ye player selangor mesti x nak keluar punya dari selangor sebab reputation yg red giants pegang. La ni ngan pengurusan mcm ayam memang patut pun diorang blah. Bagi old timers selangorians diorg lebih tahu betapa value nya piala malaysia untuk diorg. You have history when you win trophies.
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Yup, yup....bukan macam team palsu tu letak tiga bintang kat logo untuk apa ntah whistling.gif

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