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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V67, U haz CVT Falcon PUNCH liao?

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post Mar 17 2015, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 17 2015, 02:32 PM)
if rosaked also he can easily get it repaired unlike all of us.
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post Mar 17 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Mar 17 2015, 02:14 PM)
very very informative, thanks for explaining boss  notworthy.gif
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respect you cause willing to do all kinds of testing on ur own car; eventhough there's no guarantee that it will work. hats off rclxms.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Mar 17 2015, 08:36 PM)
my fren just replaced in proton sc RM72x for inspira, mitsubishi japan part, if mitsubishi china i can get cheaper by 20% +-  tongue.gif
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Actually just curious the Mitsubishi Chiba part is authorized by Japan or not authorized one? Coz I saw for Campro they have borsch china n Borsch germany

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post Mar 17 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Mar 17 2015, 10:15 PM)
Yar loh... very unhappy... especially when i saw the box... made in china...

Like wtf...

GETRAG gearbox using china crap.... nabeh...
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Our borsch 500ish fuel pump assembly also china fuel pump...hahahaha maybe they scare if use German parts ppl complain more y so expensive
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post Mar 18 2015, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Mar 17 2015, 09:03 PM)
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Throttle lag for mine would be sometimes when starting in 1st gear, has to be slightly earlier press on throttle, if not sluggish. Sometimes on double clutching on rev-match I do experience throttle opened not big enough though my step on throttle is a lot, it came to a point where I now consider on electronic throttle controller to maybe up the sensitivity of the throttle.

Maybe going for dyno would see some figures, do report on any improvements. I believe after some time the ECU would recompensate on your higher fuel pressure, hopefully would give a positive outcome, ultimately the best would still be a modified ecu eh?

When going for next dyno? Feel wana join, hopefully on a Saturdeh so that I want to know how is my own gaga feel, in numbers; readable and compatible.  nod.gif
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No, the ECU won't need to take few days to re-compensate back the chance in fuel pressure. It will know immediately since there's an O2 sensor. They ECU will know if you running lean or rich once the engine start and drive. It will control the PD on the injector reduce the opening timing. But just look it like this since the pressure is higher before the injector and when the injector opens it will still spray more fuel due to the higher flow rate n pressure.

Just imagine your house water hose
example at
10psi - you open the hose nozzle for 2 secs it spray velocity is 30
20psi - you open the hose nozzle (ECU change) for 1 secs it spray velocity is 50

You see the relation here? it's just example la for easy understanding. As you increase the input pressure the spray out velocity will increase it measn you get more fuel into the CC faster at higher pressure.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh just a small info, your sage injector is 6 holes in an arrangement like this ---> ( ) 3 holes on each side. Spray pattern is in circular form surrounding the spark plug.
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post Mar 18 2015, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 18 2015, 01:55 PM)
Hi Bro...  notworthy.gif

Firstly, may i say that the abv info is of no significance 2normal car drivers/owners...
Why do i say/feel so?
Cos in Msia, there are so many petrol stations @very close intervals!

Why wld anyone need 2drive their cars till the fuel low lamp starts blinking?
Can some kind soul pls enlighten us re the need 4that kinda info? Tqvm.

Bcos of curiosity?
Rber...the saying.."Curiosity kills the cat"...?
Mayb not kill the cat but damages the pocket? whistling.gif
ps. Me alwaz top up all cars me hv ever owned/used when fuel level is @2 bars left... thumbup.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif

Reply below also refers... notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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I, for one won't run my fuel low because the fuel pump gets hotter n hotter when there's no fuel. I always go refill when I still have 2 bars left and just info our fuel tank no partition inside the fuel tank and fuel inlet from tank to the pump assembly is just a small a 1 way tiny hole. With no partition in fuel tank you run the risk of starving the engine if ur fuel level is too low to flow into the inlet valve
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post Mar 19 2015, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Mar 18 2015, 09:14 PM)
Ah roughly understand la boss. So far does the higher fuel pressure helps better efficiency? I'm just curious since ecu would automatically readjust to different fuel pressure then why ah your gaga running lean at some rpm? Would it be somewhere problem instead?

Pardon my noobness, curious in this category of knowledge. If indeed better regulated fuel pressure can produce efficient burning or even more power, it could be next in line for my upgrade. notworthy.gif
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Campro is a funny engine. On stock form it had good AF ratio but once u do something to improve the air going into the engine it goes lean. Because Campro is using MAP sensor instead of MAF. It cannot detect the changes in air volume, the MAP sensor only senses vacuum level in the IM to determine the engine's load vacuum example no vacuum = ECU detects WOT, vacuum at max = ECU detects idling.

Do you get the idea now? Why Campro can run lean. correct me if im wrong, our O2 sensor is not wide band type.
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post Mar 19 2015, 01:48 PM

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Problem with narrowband sensor is it only know rich, lean or stoic. How lean, how rich...it doesn't know. It just have a preset value on ECU telling ok if exceed this xx value is rich or lean...wide band use voltage so its very accurate but it needs to reach optimum temperature only can work well.
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post Mar 20 2015, 06:23 PM

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very quiet here...
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post Mar 22 2015, 09:14 AM

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Finally have some time to post here...it has been a while...finally I have successfully changed my flx fuel delivery system from a returnless to a return type. The work needed was more demanding and its by far the most tiring DIY I've ever done and the amount of phone calls, running back and forth to hardware shop, hydraulic shop. It was a great challenge. But in the end it is doable. I still a few issues to iron out especially the fuel injectors pressure and duty cycle that needed to have some thinkering to do. On the dyno I got optimum whp at 5 bar pressure (originally I thought it was 6 bar which I was wrong) with this pressure the entire AF ratio is from rich to stoic until redline but then after a few phones calls I was told stock 1.3 injectors can stand a max of 4.5 bar any higher I'm stressing the O ring on the injectors and the nozzle. Which will cause the injectors to fail overtime. Then it was time to go back and retune the pressure down to 4.4 bar with this setting my mid to redline will be a bit on the lean side and i won't get optimum whp. I've tried putting in SR20 injectors but they were longer and hence I can't fit the fuel rail back onto the intake manifold so its a fail trial..

So I'm now RnD over again to find te suitable fuel injectors to replace the stock ones so that they can take higher pressure and in the future can handle a higher Duty cycle when I drop in a management.

I've been asking and thinking why my AF ratio is so lean in the beginning then I was told be ause I've did PnP which causes the leaning issues...

The adventures continues with my puny Campro and will share again info with fellow gaga owners.

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post Mar 22 2015, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 22 2015, 09:51 AM)
Kudos my friend. Sorry weren't able to be your company off late as KL branch having serious understaff issue now. In the hope soon my new colleague knight rider able to be my relief notworthy.gif
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Thanks bro but still some issues to iron out and I'm quite out of ideas now. But I still need to thank a friend of mine Fred D who showed me the possibility of doing this mod.

QUOTE(n3w @ Mar 22 2015, 10:50 AM)
PnP messed up the sensors? Because too clean ke? biggrin.gif

Thanks for sharing. Maybe reset ecu or sensors? If there is such thing as reset sensors. tongue.gif

When management drop in boss? notworthy.gif
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Not mess up the sensor. Resetting the ECU won't help on the sensor because the sensors function is just to sense.
The thing I learn about flx AF ratio is that it is fairly dumb and follows a set mapping. Even with a fpr the AF ratio adjustment changes the entire AF ratio from start to end in the same pattern. After market management is REALLY needed if you want to set the AF ratio on each rpm increment. Flu can see the AF ratio pattern remains the same although I adjust with fpr, just that the value have differ entirely across the rev range.

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post Mar 23 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Mar 22 2015, 11:05 PM)
time for haltech bro, so how your visit to ftuned?
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There's more choices now other than Haltech..Mega Squirt, Adaptronic is also among the choices. I'm leaning towards MS now after some round table talk and discussion with tuners. MS has more freedom and has more extra input point so i in future you can use these extra inputs to run sensors, injectors..etc..I'm not saying Haltech is not good, it's pretty good as the tuning software was easy to understand. 1 thing cool about MS is that if you are on Android you can link up ur MS with your phone to view it's working. I'm not sure if Haltech have this but maybe they have too which I don't know. I've saw the phone interface for the MS is and its pretty easy to understand and customize-able.

MS if you want to order need to wait as the ECU needs to be built. I was lucky to see a Neo with Mivec installing the MS3e.
Adaptronic, it don't come with wiring loom so need to wire and more work.

Regarding FTuned, i'mm going back to them tomorrow for installation and tuning.

QUOTE(Mahihi @ Mar 23 2015, 01:20 AM)
evo 3 injector...
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Boss. plug and play or need to mod? and what pressure I need to run these little piglets? biggrin.gif

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post Mar 23 2015, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 23 2015, 08:08 AM)
Its been awhile since I made a lengthy post. So here we go. After 3 years of ownership of a newer model of GaGa BLM B-Line, thins I like & do not like about the car.

LIKED
1) Boot space is amazingly huge consider a small B segmant sedan that based on a hatchback Shawie chassis.
2) 94hp on paper is amazingly good for a 1.3 engine. Powerful & sweatless sprint it performed.
3) Handling is awesome, consider this is a torsion beam setup. How often do u drive a lorry with good handling?!
4) On strick highway cruising below between 80-90kph, fuel consumption is marvelously low, can easily yield about 18km/litre and above.
5) Rear headroom & legroom is sufficient even for a 6footer to occupy.

DISLIKED
1) The boot space is huge enough, but hardly able to fully occupy. The hinges design is outragesly bad, where the boot arm required enormous space to contract. I can fit 1 full size traveling luggage, 1 personal luggage, 1 small luggage, 1 baby stroller, 2 laptops & thatut it. The sides, I can only fit my bowling shoes because it required space to retract the boot arm! Its impossible to fit 3 full size Travelling luggage! I believe that's close to 20% of the boot space is unusable, unless u bore a hole on top of the boot, had it shut & start filling water from the hole, and yes the entire boot can be fully occupy.
2) Despite its rated 94hp, my dyno result shows 78whp. Considering transmission/road resistance & effective weight, 78whp is way better then most 1.3 category engines. However, the torque distribution is horribly wrong at 11kg/mm. Having the IAFM assistant on low end doesn't help much. The car literally can feel the transition when switching over from IAFM to normally aspiration at 4krpm. I wonder why can't they(Plotong) continue to use VIM+CPS on the 1.3 engine?!
3) The good handling was inheritted from Shawie, but somehow Plotong conveniently forgot about excess weight of a sedan. Tail sagging issue persist even on an FLX. The car is so safe to drive, to an extend that it understeer so badly where the car will literally drift outward on any bend. Having said that Plotong finally realized the butt sag issue, a higher bounce rate spring being introduced into the FLX, but the bloody damper remain the same! Hard press + soft push retraction, the result is - UP. We can fly like a dugong!
4) 80% of our road usage is on city/town driving. Fuel consumption yield below 10km/litre. I donanna live in this world anymore! Everytime when I think the engine have enough juice to move, I had to brake for the traffic!
5) Let's talk about resell value. I got my car by struck a good deal 3 years back exactly today. The time the previous owner having financial difficulties, I owned the car by paying 28k, about 25% discount from a new car. Today, the very same 5 year old BLM model is selling at 16k. When I open my eyes & tell a white lie to all Plotong owner how bad a VIOS resell value can be, seriously if u r paying 80k to own the car, after 5 years u sell it at 40k, that wasn't so bad! 40k downpayment, u can easily upgrade to another category. On the other hand, by paying 38k to own a car, after 5 years to sell it at 16k, now that's the worst thing 1 can ever anticipate. That 16k will not get u another better option if u decided to buy a new car! Be stuck with Plotong for the rest of your life!

Enough of rant. Knowing capacilities is 1 thing. If I can afford, could have bought a P42 back then. Practical is another thing. The car has little problem other then the normal "IAFM problem", which virtually don't exist unless 1 is particular about engine noise. I've clocked almost 600km/tank several times when doing full hiway tour. Rides & handling is exceptionally good for its category(until I own a Shawie). Off late the poor car kept on getting crashed from behind. A 3 year ownership, it has suffered bumper change twice. When I newly got the car, parked at Puchong IOI business centre car park, someone banged on my bumper, leave a huge ugly scratch, I use a huge plaster to cover it. A year later, some old car crashed into my bumper again when wife was driving at LDP. Left me no choice but to get the bumper changed. Few months later, at a stop-look-go traffic, the car behind thought my wife is gonna move, conveniently crashed into my new bumper again. This time, I'm happy enough to get my bumper from SiuYi as I've been dreaming to own the SPIN180 bumper for long. Few weeks later, a MyVi cutting queue & scrape its body with my rear bumper. And yesterday, another Hyundai crashed into the same spot - A G A I N. Don't think I'm going to change/repaint it anyways. Its either people choose to bully my wife, or my BLM backside is too attractive for bummers. Believe it or not, if I ever gonna change my rear bumper again, its gonna be no color! Remain black & ugly!!!

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post Mar 23 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Mar 23 2015, 11:46 AM)
heard of ms3 before but no clue about it lol, i state haltech maybe because its the most popular standalone for campro right now, because all campro pro workshops mostly recommend haltech maybe because they only familiar to tune using haltech maybe.

so what type you get from them? i think blm the cheapest one is rm2.2k . hi low only but of course customizable to the driver prefer setup..

do you want to sell the hwl? hahaha
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Now have more choice also a good thing....

I'm getting the Race comp sepc Gt Series with pillowball mount. My HWL? gonna keep it 1st...


QUOTE(Mahihi @ Mar 23 2015, 02:09 PM)
Plug n play Leh if not mistaken,what pressure then no idea Leh,forgotten who did it already
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Oh ok boss thank you for the info. I go find more details than share share with you.. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 24 2015, 05:53 AM

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Changed my fead belt to GATEs and belt support tensioner.
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post Mar 25 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Mar 25 2015, 08:47 AM)
TitanRev saw your car in fb page, fast2 give review how the ftuned performed haha
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I just starting to use so later la review..
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post Mar 25 2015, 10:01 PM

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Just a short review on the ftuned. I like the damping when you go slow you know its adjustable but not so bumpy I'm now on F12 clicks from hard and R15 clicks from hard. Rear still a bit bumpy but not until the exted of hopping at turn. Previously with my HWL when I'm on a turn if the road was wavy the rear would bounce as the damping was too hard I was on 4k spring on rear.
Now I'm having 5.5 at rear as paired by ftuned for race comp spec

What I can feel is when on turn the car is more planted and stable, damping was good as the bound and rebound was less rapid than HWL. Also the car roll center is corrected so the car handles in a more balance manner when you give steering input won't give you the nerve wreaking already want to lost control feeling. You can tell clearly the car still can take the corner with more speed. The car still has some body roll but in a controlled manner as ftuned said you need some extend of body roll so the car won't hop over the road if its not flat. You need the tire panted at all times to have maximum traction. Also he said that the rear is set to sit lower than front so that when you brake into corner the car won't lost its weight balance and upset the car's handling. Now my front is 2 finger gap while the rear is sitting at its lowest.
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post Mar 26 2015, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Mar 26 2015, 08:15 AM)
so is it a huge improvement from hwl? worth it right?
i think 2 finger oso low already else your lips will scrap the tar frequently, my front about 2 and half finger oso sagat jalan , masuk kedai tayar pun sagat  biggrin.gif

im funding for the cheapest spec hi low only i think, the thing what attract me is their 2 years warranty.
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Yup it's better than before now. yeah they offer 2 years warranty for their products.
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post Mar 27 2015, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Mar 26 2015, 03:53 PM)
Nice bro..its suits ur taste, rite?

Heard it can tuned anytime.. thumbup.gif
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Yes, I'm very satisfied with the system. It suits the car very well. and adjustment soft hard can be done and hilo can DIY also as it has bodyshift just need to measure the spring installed length before adjustment so that the spring preload will not get affected.
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post Mar 27 2015, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 27 2015, 05:24 PM)
false. mieza's flx installed ABL just fine.
sapa bagi permission upload my GF video a???  vmad.gif
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Your gf? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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