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post Mar 18 2015, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 18 2015, 10:19 AM)
conculsion is  whack SKPETRO and OnG
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Please don't follow me.. sweat.gif

I am taking a high risk bet.. it might end up going to holland..

IF oil stay at low for longer period there are CHANCES that several OnG counters MIGHT default on thier loan, hence will close shop rendering your investment a grand total of $0.00

Sometimes, sometimes... market can act irrational for a long time.. longer than your holding power..tongue.gif

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post Mar 18 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 18 2015, 10:26 AM)
SKPetrol can default their loan ? since they hv write off business form PetroBas
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Why not? Have you seen the financials?

Cash RM 1.83 billion

Short term loan RM 5.3 billion
Long term loan RM 5.3 Billion

Total loan 10.6 billion

Interest rate per year : 477 million p.a

IF they are in a money losing position, at most they can service their loan up to 1-1.5 years only.. whistling.gif
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post Mar 18 2015, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 18 2015, 10:26 AM)
Well.... what about from OPEC perspective and the theory that currently oil is suppressed just to punish Russia? tongue.gif

I am not saying oil won't go back up...

I am just saying it is way too early to place this bet.

it's like you are rushing.... scared to miss this chance. tongue.gif

all I know is you don't have to buy the lowest to make money.

Remember how easily I pointed out that one could have bought a stock like Pet at 2.15, instead of chasing and guessing what's a good price to buy?
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Haha buying down is actually similar to buying up.. just the other way.

SKPet IF oil stays at $40 is currently valued at RM 1,90 only.. slightly above NTA laugh.gif

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post Mar 18 2015, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 18 2015, 10:36 AM)
weiiii..... you trying to scare people and push the stock down ah?

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I am neutral, just presenting ALL the PRO and CONS ...

So everyone have a better picture and know the risk they are taking and potential gains they might get.

Oh BTW.. SKPet net debt to equity is already > 100% whistling.gif

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There are several OnG outfit which is even more prone to default.. but I won't name them here. laugh.gif

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post Mar 18 2015, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Mar 18 2015, 10:45 AM)
unfortunately at average production rate of around 30000 bopd from asset acquired from newfield, even this could not cover the loan interest per year at current oil price, but might help SKpetroll a bit lah
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Haha you know how much they paid for the 30k bpd? RM 2.6 billion.... sweat.gif

Hope they not gonna impair the purchase price by 50% .. sweat.gif

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post Mar 18 2015, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Mar 18 2015, 11:58 AM)
hmm.gif mind if i ask Boon3 and gark, if you see a stock trading at PE20x, will you immediately put aside or still monitor?
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Depend on future growth.. if growth is good why not?

If growth is poor then can chuck into bin.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2015, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Carls_Nemesis @ Mar 18 2015, 02:45 PM)
i think quite hard to look for company that every quarter also with growth ba? hmm.gif 1 or 2 years maybe can, but more than that ah.. quite doubtful lo.
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Got a lot of companies do that...

http://www.malaysiastock.biz/Report-Analys...KLSE-Stock.aspx
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post Mar 18 2015, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Carls_Nemesis @ Mar 18 2015, 04:00 PM)
i mean every quarter wor. nt annual.
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Some of the counters there every Q earnings up.. have you even read em? tongue.gif

Anyway look at the bigger picture. tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2015, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 18 2015, 05:10 PM)
Homer hmm.gif
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Sudah jual.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 18 2015, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 18 2015, 05:33 PM)

Expiring patents...more "designer" drugs can be produced as generic drugs, Hovid can tap into this opportunity
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So can pharmaniaga and ccmbio.. and cheap foreign manufacturers such as ranbaxy.. once a drug is off patent, it's a free for all. nod.gif brows.gif
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post Mar 19 2015, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Tripod @ Mar 18 2015, 09:32 PM)
talking about oil & gas..

coastal from what I understand is actually a shipbuilding co.

but recently they also involve in jack up rig.

fundamentally its quite good...except for the rig involvement as oil price is now falling.

current price is quite attractive.

what do your guys think...is the price good for investing/ trading?

gark, boon or anyone here...

your comments please  icon_question.gif
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Coastal PRIMARY builds vessels for OnG clients.. which includes AHTS, PSV, dive boat, crew boat and other support vessel of mostly smaller sizes. Coastal currently have about RM 1 billion of UNSOLD but completed vessels stock for OnG.

Recently it has ventured into drilling rig business.. although it has signed a recent sales contract, it's second rig is coming soon with no contract. I am not sure what class of rig is coastal holding (Cause i am lazy to check tongue.gif ), but it is worthwhile to find out if you want to invest. In 2015 it is expected that a total of 56 new rigs will enter the market, with around 26 is speculative rig (rig built without contract, which will FIGHT for work) wink.gif

Drilling rigs day rates have fallen about 15%-25% recently.. this was guided by UMWOG conference (UMWOG have the most number of drilling rigs in SEA) wink.gif The highest demand rigs is those rated > 300 ft, others rated lower than 300 ft have seen steady decline of usage.

It can be a good turn around stock once drilling and exploration activity picks up.. but when will be anyone's guess. whistling.gif

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post Mar 20 2015, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Mar 19 2015, 10:13 PM)
I don't think UMWOG mentioned 15-20%. Who mentioned that. I don't recall them saying in the session. Maybe I missed that part. Sorry. I heard 3%-5% as per latest awarded contract.
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You got to read between the lines... don't just swallow everything they put at you wink.gif excerpt from UMWOG presentation by Rohaizid Darus

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Daily charter rates (DCRs) and utilisation in Vietnam are above SEA. The blended DCRs for JUs in Vietnam averaged USD140k-165k since 2013, which is higher than SEA’s USD135k-150k average DCR. Expectations are for DCRs to average USD 140k in 2015

UMW OG expects DCR in SEA to fall by 5% - 7% to USD140k - 150k in 2015. The weakness in DCR in Malaysia is expected to be steeper, at 10%.

With the cuts in E&P spending and revisions of tenders, which slow down drilling activities, UMWOG cautioned for lower utilisation rates for its rigs, which are expected to fall by 30-60 days


Points to ponder..

1. Lets consider the max to lowest rates, which represents the steepest decline (stress test to see how bad things are). Rates fell from 165K to 135K for SEA, which is net reduction of 30K. 30K/165K = 18.1%. For UMWOG they expect rates for their charter to be slightly better at 140K. 25K/165K = 17.8%. No where near the 5%-7% which is reduction since start of 2015. wink.gif

2. UMWOG conceded that rates in Malaysia is falling even steeper that expected from Vietnam in 2015.

3. Lower utilization rates. Previously rigs have utilization rates of 300 days or more. A reduction of 30-60 days represents additional 10%-20% NON REVENUE days.

4. Combines the lower rates in 2015 vs 2014 PLUS the lower utilization days, you can see where I get my estimate of 15%-25% reduction of total rates income from.

Never trust blind conclusion (UMWOG calculated based on lowest rate 2013 vs highest rate in 2015 AND ignored utilization days shakehead.gif ) especially from vested interest company giving the presentations. Always do your homework. thumbup.gif

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post Mar 20 2015, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2015, 09:42 AM)
ya ma

if wanna be secretive, do like gark, stock code also don't name, like...71x7

Sudah name the stock code, why can't terus name the stock? mad.gif
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Apa? apa? tongue.gif

I got hot stock tipsy..

stock code XX1X rclxms.gif
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post Mar 20 2015, 05:49 PM

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TSH ... rclxms.gif

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post Mar 23 2015, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 23 2015, 10:04 AM)
PPB chicken run on me cry.gif
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Ala.. drama queen.. baru naik 1+ % only wor.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 23 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 23 2015, 08:10 AM)
I nvr heard any if u guys biught time berhad share? The best performing share consistently the past 5 years....

Its like buying a infrastructure PLUS highway of broadband network....

Very less competition n proven
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Not a bad counter.. quite consistent outperforming.. but the PE ratio.. is too high for my taste. tongue.gif
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post Mar 23 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 23 2015, 10:21 AM)
Yup...i was terkejut when seeing its chart performance last 5 years...macam 10x ganda ur earning if invest 5 years ago 😱😱...

Last i see a company that long impressive bullish run chart is on oracle US stock early 2000 run...
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Go see chart of inari and globetronics.. you will lagi terkejut. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Mar 23 2015, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 23 2015, 10:29 AM)
Pe ratio berapa? For me high pe takpe yang penting how much yoy increase revenue n profit growth rate? 10-15%

Mire than make up for the slughtly higher pe ratio...
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Why dont you go check the expected profit growth rate and the then compare to PE ratio, then only you tell us good or not ? tongue.gif
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post Mar 23 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 23 2015, 10:50 AM)
Ayam kicimiao noob dont dare tunjuk pandai...later kena shoot fown by u and boon kor :">
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Nevermind mah.. lets learn together. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 23 2015, 10:41 AM)
What's the TP for Karex again? biggrin.gif
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PE 200 x.. tongue.gif

Buy more. laugh.gif

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