QUOTE(holybo @ Jul 28 2015, 08:57 PM)
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Jul 28 2015, 09:35 PM
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Jul 28 2015, 09:39 PM
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Jul 28 2015, 11:00 PM
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hahaha, all was eyeing it ..... i still have chance
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Jul 28 2015, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 28 2015, 06:10 PM) IGBREIT 4.47 sen divvy (4.4 sen@10% WHT, 0.07 sen not taxable) 4.47 sen half yearly: is this dividend sustainable? EPS latest quarter 1.91 sen: annualised only 7.64 sen, how to pay 8.94 sen?At last closing today of RM1.29...6.2% NET yield Such nice divvy, why today kena sold down 3 sen |
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Jul 28 2015, 11:43 PM
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Jul 29 2015, 08:52 AM
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Jul 29 2015, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 28 2015, 11:43 PM) Dividend is paid out from realised profits. So, if part of the EPS includes unrealised asset gains, then DPS should be lower that EPS BUT it is now higher than EPS which makes it unsustainable.And Manager's fee is paid by issuing additional units, i.e. non-cash flow. p.s. I am not very sure on this. I hope Cherroy kor can clarify also. I read about it when he said something like that in the past. This post has been edited by aspartame: Jul 29 2015, 08:59 AM |
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Jul 29 2015, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 28 2015, 11:43 PM) Dividend is paid out from realised profits. Pink spider, morning. I assuming there will be minor dilution along the way which should not be harmful to unitholder? and any particular reason why REIT manager opt for units as party of their payment instead of full cash? purely for them to share the distribution from the REIT in the future?And Manager's fee is paid by issuing additional units, i.e. non-cash flow. |
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Jul 29 2015, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(Orang Sabah @ Jul 29 2015, 08:55 AM) Pink spider, morning. I assuming there will be minor dilution along the way which should not be harmful to unitholder? and any particular reason why REIT manager opt for units as party of their payment instead of full cash? purely for them to share the distribution from the REIT in the future? One reason, the REIT manager don't need the cash, they also don't wanna deplete the REIT of its cash. Hence, chose to be "paid" in units...Yeah, dilution there will be... aspartame u are correct... And they can increase payout by utilising REALISED profits from prior periods... As expected, recover back to 1.32 liao. Congratz to those who picked up at 1.29-1.30 yesterday This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 29 2015, 09:28 AM |
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Jul 29 2015, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 29 2015, 09:26 AM) One reason, the REIT manager don't need the cash, they also don't wanna deplete the REIT of its cash. Hence, chose to be "paid" in units... Yes, they can increase payout by utilising realised profits from prior periods, provided those profits were not distributed previously. You still come back to: if you take the EPS for the year and the DPS for the year, DPS has to be lower and at most equal to EPS. DPS more than EPS is possible in one or 2 quarters but you always fall back to the rule. So, what I am saying is that your calculation of NET YIELD of 6.2% based on current quarter DPS is an overstatement of the dividend yield.Yeah, dilution there will be... aspartame u are correct... And they can increase payout by utilising REALISED profits from prior periods... As expected, recover back to 1.32 liao. Congratz to those who picked up at 1.29-1.30 yesterday |
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Jul 29 2015, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 29 2015, 12:21 PM) Yes, they can increase payout by utilising realised profits from prior periods, provided those profits were not distributed previously. You still come back to: if you take the EPS for the year and the DPS for the year, DPS has to be lower and at most equal to EPS. DPS more than EPS is possible in one or 2 quarters but you always fall back to the rule. So, what I am saying is that your calculation of NET YIELD of 6.2% based on current quarter DPS is an overstatement of the dividend yield. But u see their earnings...4 sen a quarter is realistic Let's say 4 sen x 2 x 90% / 1.32 = 5.45% net yield Not too bad considering their growth rate |
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Jul 29 2015, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 29 2015, 08:55 AM) So, if part of the EPS includes unrealised asset gains, then DPS should be lower that EPS BUT it is now higher than EPS which makes it unsustainable. EPS is the sustainable figure, which should be the base in consideration.p.s. I am not very sure on this. I hope Cherroy kor can clarify also. I read about it when he said something like that in the past. The DPS can be higher than EPS is because instead paying the manager in cash, the reit is paying the manager by issuing new unit, hence there is extra cash left for distribution. It is about cashflow. Still we should judge it based on operational EPS as the ultimate, any extra treat it as bonus. Edit: I should term it as realised operation EPS. This is where business generate the real profit. This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 29 2015, 01:24 PM |
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Jul 29 2015, 01:49 PM
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Now, let's see if PAVREIT can match IGBREIT's rate of growth
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Jul 29 2015, 02:59 PM
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Jul 29 2015, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 29 2015, 12:21 PM) Yes, they can increase payout by utilising realised profits from prior periods, provided those profits were not distributed previously. You still come back to: if you take the EPS for the year and the DPS for the year, DPS has to be lower and at most equal to EPS. DPS more than EPS is possible in one or 2 quarters but you always fall back to the rule. So, what I am saying is that your calculation of NET YIELD of 6.2% based on current quarter DPS is an overstatement of the dividend yield. In a way, this practice shows the manager is confident in the future of this company and willing to take "shares" instead of cashWhile for the minority shareholders like us, we have more cash received for the current year. While our future EPS will be diluted (if no growth to match the increased shareholdings) Either way, you got to pay them. I prefer cash in my hand now (ie current yield of 6.2% pinky calculated), instead of banging on future growth (ie higher yield) |
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Jul 29 2015, 03:08 PM
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Jul 29 2015, 03:13 PM
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Jul 29 2015, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 29 2015, 09:26 AM) One reason, the REIT manager don't need the cash, they also don't wanna deplete the REIT of its cash. Hence, chose to be "paid" in units... True, it is also good to conserve cash. Thanks for enlightening me. And little bit of dilution should be fine as the dilution would be offset by distributable income growth if NPI growth is positive which I think it will be for MV & Gardens. Yeah, dilution there will be... aspartame u are correct... And they can increase payout by utilising REALISED profits from prior periods... As expected, recover back to 1.32 liao. Congratz to those who picked up at 1.29-1.30 yesterday I noted IGB has done AEI last year at the 3rd floor ( the cinema floor), you guys heard anything on upcoming AEI for 2H 2015? I used to hear MV want to take back some space from Jusco, but not sure what's the outcome now. |
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Jul 29 2015, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 29 2015, 03:06 PM) In a way, this practice shows the manager is confident in the future of this company and willing to take "shares" instead of cash One bird on hand is better than 2 in the bush ya..While for the minority shareholders like us, we have more cash received for the current year. While our future EPS will be diluted (if no growth to match the increased shareholdings) Either way, you got to pay them. I prefer cash in my hand now (ie current yield of 6.2% pinky calculated), instead of banging on future growth (ie higher yield) |
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Jul 29 2015, 04:17 PM
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Still holding to my initial IGBREIT IPO allocation, plus managed to pick up some at 1.17 n years ago. Kaya beb
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