Saw bursa announcement, Sunway family members been acquiring SUNREIT in open market, any take on this guys? they signal SUNREIT < RM1.50 a good buy?
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Sep 8 2015, 02:29 PM
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Saw bursa announcement, Sunway family members been acquiring SUNREIT in open market, any take on this guys? they signal SUNREIT < RM1.50 a good buy?
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Sep 8 2015, 03:38 PM
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Any investors here keen to apply Al-Salam Reits IPO?
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Sep 8 2015, 04:49 PM
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Sep 8 2015, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 8 2015, 04:49 PM) Yeah, if below RM1.45 don't mind to bottom fish! HahaBy the way, noted SUNREIT is going to cease payment of manager fees in the form of units w.e.f 2017, it will be fully cash payment thereafter. I read some news stating that the cessation is due to some GST implications, can enlightened me how does GST impact the issuance of units in relation to payment of managers fee? |
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Sep 8 2015, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE(Orang Sabah @ Sep 8 2015, 05:01 PM) By the way, noted SUNREIT is going to cease payment of manager fees in the form of units w.e.f 2017, it will be fully cash payment thereafter. I read some news stating that the cessation is due to some GST implications, can enlightened me how does GST impact the issuance of units in relation to payment of managers fee? I'm also not sure about the GST implications thingy maybe Pinky can help |
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Sep 8 2015, 05:25 PM
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Found this from its latest annual report
MINIMAL IMPACT OF GST ON REIT In a broad perspective, the introduction of GST is not expected to have any significant impact on the earnings and operation of Sunway REIT. Under the GST guidelines, any issuance of new units undertaken by a REIT will result in the classification of a REIT as a mixed supplier. The classification will result in GST implications to the REIT. Sunway REIT alongside with the Malaysian REIT Managers Association (“MRMA”) are engaging with the relevant authorities pertaining to this with reference to precedence in the region. |
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Sep 8 2015, 05:27 PM
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Any idea guys or you hear anything that SUNREIT will maintain 100% payout in FY16? since 100% DPU payout is guided until 2015 only.
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Sep 8 2015, 05:45 PM
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Sep 8 2015, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 8 2015, 05:45 PM) Whether pay in cash or in units also will attract GST AFAIK. Yeah, coz initially will prefer the REIT to receive some in units instead of full cash, will monitor other REIT and see whether other REITs are opting for cash payment as well or not , thanks spiderMaybe the issuance of additional units is a hassle and will attract ADDITIONAL GST konon, not too sure |
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Sep 8 2015, 08:46 PM
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Sep 8 2015, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(Orang Sabah @ Sep 8 2015, 05:25 PM) Under the GST guidelines, any issuance of new units undertaken by a As a mixed supplier, input tax is subject to ratio of taxable suppliesREIT will result in the classification of a REIT as a mixed supplier. The classification will result in GST implications to the REIT. Sunway REIT alongside with the Malaysian REIT Managers Association (“MRMA”) are engaging with the relevant authorities pertaining to this with reference to precedence in the region. |
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Sep 9 2015, 09:09 AM
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Sep 9 2015, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(Orang Sabah @ Sep 8 2015, 05:25 PM) Found this from its latest annual report MINIMAL IMPACT OF GST ON REIT In a broad perspective, the introduction of GST is not expected to have any significant impact on the earnings and operation of Sunway REIT. Under the GST guidelines, any issuance of new units undertaken by a REIT will result in the classification of a REIT as a mixed supplier. The classification will result in GST implications to the REIT. Sunway REIT alongside with the Malaysian REIT Managers Association (“MRMA”) are engaging with the relevant authorities pertaining to this with reference to precedence in the region. QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 8 2015, 05:45 PM) Whether pay in cash or in units also will attract GST AFAIK. I think this is more about the management fee by the managing agent.Maybe the issuance of additional units is a hassle and will attract ADDITIONAL GST konon, not too sure Eg. Reit engage management company, which incur 1 mil as management fee. As in ordinary sense, a 1 mil tax invoice will be issued by the manager to the reit, which need to incur GST. So total payable by the reit to the manager is 1 mil + 6% GST. But now, reit substitute it with issuance of new unit instead of payment in cash form. So in the issuance new unit as payment, GST should be incurred as well, if not (if issuance new unit instead of payment in cash as a form of manager fee), there is a loop hole to "escape" the GST. |
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Sep 9 2015, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 9 2015, 09:23 AM) I think this is more about the management fee by the managing agent. Morning Cherroy, your explanation makes perfect sense, my queries are cleared Eg. Reit engage management company, which incur 1 mil as management fee. As in ordinary sense, a 1 mil tax invoice will be issued by the manager to the reit, which need to incur GST. So total payable by the reit to the manager is 1 mil + 6% GST. But now, reit substitute it with issuance of new unit instead of payment in cash form. So in the issuance new unit as payment, GST should be incurred as well, if not (if issuance new unit instead of payment in cash as a form of manager fee), there is a loop hole to "escape" the GST. |
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Sep 9 2015, 09:45 AM
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Sep 9 2015, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 9 2015, 09:23 AM) I think this is more about the management fee by the managing agent. That means...cash or units also attract GST, no difference? Eg. Reit engage management company, which incur 1 mil as management fee. As in ordinary sense, a 1 mil tax invoice will be issued by the manager to the reit, which need to incur GST. So total payable by the reit to the manager is 1 mil + 6% GST. But now, reit substitute it with issuance of new unit instead of payment in cash form. So in the issuance new unit as payment, GST should be incurred as well, if not (if issuance new unit instead of payment in cash as a form of manager fee), there is a loop hole to "escape" the GST. |
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Sep 9 2015, 09:51 AM
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Sep 9 2015, 09:52 AM
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Sep 9 2015, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2015, 09:52 AM) It doesn't have any relationship between GST and public shareholding.Right issue to raise capital is not subjected to GST. Just like IPO, there is no GST. But if you use the new issuance unit as a form of payment, then yes GST still applied. This is to prevent a loop hole in GST that can be exploited. |
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Sep 9 2015, 09:57 AM
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