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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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plumberly
post Jul 23 2015, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jul 23 2015, 07:41 PM)
EPF holds 51% in FII (low interest rate) -v- ASx holds 70 - 80% (generally) in Equity (listed on Bursa) which can give unlimited upside
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I see. I wrongly read your remark.

Yes, then EPF return will be limited by the FII. I was not aware of the 51% FII in EPF.

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post Aug 4 2015, 09:44 PM

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RM took another dip today.

I have been saving, practising delay gratification etc to build up my wealth. Now with the RM dropping by about 20% (3.2 to 3.8), my wealth is taking that -20% hit (impact is via kids' overseas education).

Solutions:

Change to US, Aust etc currency?

Invest in gold, silver etc?

Ask nicely first and later force that guy to step down?

Make friends with wealthy Middle East tycoons and ask them to donate RM2.8 billion to my account?

???




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post Aug 5 2015, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 4 2015, 09:58 PM)
Perhaps u may consider PTPTN
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Don't understand.

Meaning to get a loan from PTPTN for the study?

But there is a maxi limit of RM100,000.
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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Aug 5 2015, 08:30 AM)
Well, not only you feel the impact, me as well..

I can feel the diminishing value of RM with the rising cost of living..

Monthly savings are taking a slight drop, the price of eateries has gone skyrocket, now i am also looking forward to extra alternatives..  blush.gif
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Let us go to ME in search of the UHNW (ultra high net worth) kind! Ha.

Dubia will be our 1st stop.
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post Aug 5 2015, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 4 2015, 09:44 PM)
RM took another dip today.

I have been saving, practising delay gratification etc to build up my wealth. Now with the RM dropping by about 20% (3.2 to 3.8), my wealth is taking that -20% hit (impact is via kids' overseas education).

Solutions:

Change to US, Aust etc currency?

Invest in gold, silver etc?

Ask nicely first and later force that guy to step down?

Make friends with wealthy Middle East tycoons and ask them to donate RM2.8 billion to my account?

???
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Asked myself, if I have converted some RM to Aust $ last year, would I be laughing now?

Shockingly, no!

Aust $ has depreciated by 27% while RM depreciated by 19% relative to US$ (Aug 14 vs Aug 15).

So, things are not what they appear to be.


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post Aug 6 2015, 03:19 PM

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What is more annoying than you go there and they tell you system is down?

This is 10 times more annoying - you go there and waited for 45 mins, when it is your turn, they tell you that system is down. This happened to me today when I went to ASNB to top up for my 2 kids.

What a day!
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post Aug 6 2015, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 6 2015, 03:28 PM)
again ASM on saleeee
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This is really adding salt to my injury! Ha.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 6 2015, 03:44 PM)
Lol why. I tot u have it already?
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To buy some more/top up for my 2 kids.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 13 2015, 11:32 PM)
Full time student with part time income from online sales. Very small (about Rm100/month if it's good. If no, then just rm20/month or sometimes zero)  Let's call it a hobby of mine maximising returns and learning new ways to make money legally. Have yet to try out stock market and UT. Or maybe I am too obsessed with getting rich. Haha...

Initially was just doing FD at board rate for years. Then decided to step into LYN Finance section. Voila. Learn about promo rates. Decided not to be "generous" to the bank.Why should I help banks to become richer by placing at board rates or placing at not so high promo rates? Get the best deals. Join musical chair or rather go with affin promo. The highest rates with pidm in town. Found GenX's blog and Read all of Gen-X's post from start until finish and got a burning inspiration from him with new knowledge. Banks and government must work for you and not you who are working for the bank/government (giving banks/goverment free money). The inspiration is still there.

Still not satisfied. Check out ASX thread. Then decided to try open ASM.  Now feeling quite satisfied. But next on the list is going to learn stock market to buy reits.

Decided to stick around and help others.

I have seen my friend who shops like Rm700+ of shoes and clothes and then complain no more money. Try helping out some friends by giving them some advise, no one was interested except one. So that's that. I just keep quiet and go about my own ways.

Goal in life is retired and live off and interest or dividend without touching the principal and taking my parents on overseas vacation at least once a year. The least I can do for them. Fancy cars, foods, shoes and clothes does not interest me. One must give something to gain something. Nothing is free in life. One gives up the enjoyment of life now and reap the fruits later. Also be healthy now, rather than be sickly when you are old.

Until today I don't event know how to play dota. sad.gif well I did play counter strike and call of duty against bots. That's about it
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If you have not seen any movie, you should go out more frequent!

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If you have not read a book, you should ...? (can't think of a similar closing for this. Ha).

Seriously, I cannot recommend enough for this book

5 Lessons From A Millionaire Friend On Health & Wealth (check bookshop or Amazon for more details)

Being rich is not about how much money one has but the mentality behind it. Thus the 5 lessons.

They say about 80% of lottery winners went back to their old financial status 2-3 years after the win. So ...

All the best with your awareness-knowledge-skill-mastery journey at this young age!!!

Cheerio.

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post Aug 14 2015, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 14 2015, 08:38 AM)
Why should I go watch crappy movies? I usually go for marvel movies and movies which friend said are good. Tgv ticket are RM14. The last I checked (few months back). Besides I usually go and watch when the movie is not so popular anymore. Less people,  less kids screaming, less people with phone on, less people walking up and down.

Second, watching movies mean you are supporting MAFIAA of  America. They are not somebody you want to support. There's always free WiFi at Starbucks. whistling.gif

Thanks for the recommended book.  Will look into it.
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I think you mis-read my reply. I was not questioning your cinema patronage. I was trying to come up with a similar line for reading book as the movie line (heard that line in one movie promotion as I expected that guy to say "If you have seen any movie, you should watch this movie". Instead he said "you should go out more frequent". Good punch line!

I cannot remember when was the last movie I watched in the cinema. Must be at least 2 years ago. I like watching movies but on tv at home. Free mah.

Cheerio.


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post Aug 18 2015, 03:42 PM

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The concern on fixed to variable price change was raised earlier (will we be informed prior to the change etc). The additional infor I did not know was the 31 Dec 2015 date. Useful infor to keep in mind now. Yes, guilty, I did not read the prospectus!

I have emailed to ASNB on whether the funds will be changed to VP funds as of 1-Jan-2016 and if so, when will the existing unit holders be informed of the coming change.

I will share their reply here once I get it. nod.gif

Cheerio.

P/S If you have a copy of the prospectus before 2011, please share here. Thanks.



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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 18 2015, 03:53 PM)
Thank you, Plumberly,... for this initiative. Writing would be more effective, if they reply. I asked them verbally and they said to just wait for any related public ann't, if there is. Please update us on the official reply from PNB.
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Sometimes it is better to write in than to call. Why? First, no offence to phone receptionists, they do not know everything about the company. So they tend to say things on the safe side for things they do not know.

From my experience, I do find Affin, CIMB, EPF & ASNB very good with their email replies. MB is quite hopeless!

Hope that ASNB side will escalate it to the right person up there and reply to me soon. Ha.

I don't see the issue raised as a problem as long as it is still RM1 per unit. Why? My capital (+ earned dividends) is still there. If they change it to VP, then 99.99999% I will cut and run! Ha.

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Aug 18 2015, 05:56 PM)
It's really up to the individual. You'll always have those with strong opinions with hopes of influencing others either way. At the end of the day, each investor needs to think for his/herself because whatever happens is as a result of your own-decision making and blaming others is just an escape route from looking at one's self.

For me, the extension is a given. I'm a realist and standards/laws are enforced by regulators who at the end of the day are answerable to the government of the day. And who runs governments? Politicians and the will of politicians is not something that should ever be underestimated.

If you feel uncomfortable that the extension may not be given than by all means, cash out and invest somewhere else. One man's meat is another's poison so there will be those who are hungry for the units you just cashed out on.

Who laughs last in the end? Only time will tell. How many are laughing or regretting now buy following/not following the "herd" when AS1M launched initially?

Investment in ANY form is a risk, and that's it. There's nothing guaranteed in this world other than death and taxes  whistling.gif
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Well written. I see it the same way as you.

If I knew about the potential 31 Dec 2015 change to VP say 2 years ago when I started on this, would I still go ahead and buy ASX?

Yes!

Like I said earlier, as long as I get out before they change it to VP, I will still be laughing to the banks with the +2 +3% over FD.

Cheerio.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 19 2015, 07:06 AM)
Eh, I thought you signed off from this thread already?!
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So I missed the opportunity to reply? Ha. I should have stayed up late last night!

First, thanks to the bro for his concerns. rclxms.gif

Just to reflect on his concerns, my 2.12 cents (GST included) here:


*** 1) How do you KNOW that you can get out when they change to VP?? They could freeze the withdrawal while the change is going on.

I admit that I do not know. Thus my email to them on this.

If the reply is vague, trying to put smoke to cover up, then I will most likely withdraw in Nov/Dec 2015 if there is no announcement on this.

Freezing the withdrawal? There are endless possibilities. E.g., maybe even world war III in 2015? So I assess with what I know and then decide. hmm.gif


*** 2) Before you say this is impossible, if THE GOVERNMENT can impose capital control during 97/98, ASx freezing withdrawal is minor.

I was not aware on freezing withdrawal in 97/98. I thought the controls were in limiting RM cash one can take out of Msia, among others. Yes, freezing or limiting withdrawal is possible if we are in the same situation like Greece where they impose a Euro 60 withdrawal limit per day per account. vmad.gif


<<Like I said earlier, as long as I get out before they change it to VP, I will still be laughing to the banks with the +2 +3% over FD.>>

*** 3) This is minor comfort as compare to those people exchange to USD and hide USD under the pillow.

On hind sight, yes, having changed to US$ was a very smart move. But .... British pound was the global currency in the old days, later taken over by US$. My guess is China's RMB will be taking over US$ in 5-10 years time. There is little substance behind the US$ besides the military power & past loyalty in my view. doh.gif


*** Wake up!!

Thanks. rclxub.gif


*** 4) You are taking on a lot of risk that you realized by investing in ASx.

Some risk, yes. Lot of risk, I beg to differ. The govt is not doing well but I don't extrapolate that to everything that they do. No one is perfect and same with govt. icon_question.gif


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 19 2015, 08:44 AM)
We will await your next post.  biggrin.gif By the way, if they don't reply your email, what are you going to do next?
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Panic? Cry? etc etc? Ha.

Ask forumers here to write to ASNB, 1 email each over 5 weeks. That should raise the alarm at ASNB with the continuous inflow on the same query.

I go and see the ASNB manager here.

I make a donation to Ah Jib and ask him to expedite the reply (I help you, you help me mah).

Maybe even ask SC and push them to come to a landing on this.

Past replies from ASNB have been professional with good English. So I hope to see the same this time.


P/S I have made a weekly reminder (Nov & Dec) in my Outlook to come to a landing on this. You can do the same as a reminder for yourself.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 19 2015, 08:53 AM)
If u notice, dreamer101 didn't share the pros n cons of diversification
His ony conviction is he dun trust Putrajaya which is the MAIN objective to diversify
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Not saying Warren Buffet is right all the time, he said something along the line that diversification is for those who don't know how to invest!

I see the pros and cons on both sides of the fence. And so I am more towards less diversification.
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I see, now the buying market has slowed down waiting for ASNB's answer on the FP to VP switch. Good opportunity for those still buying then.

Let me see, how many D24 durians I can get if I only pm to those who are willing to donate with durian to me for ASNB's answer. Ha.

Just kidding.

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Reply from ASNB:

The disclosure concerned relates to the accounting standard practised by the fixed price funds.

As all the fixed price funds are under the purview of the Securities Commission (“SC”), any major changes to the features of the funds are subject to review and approval of the SC and the Trustee, namely AmanahRaya Trustees Berhad.

It is the duty of the ASNB to notify unit holders whether individually or through public notices if there is any requirement for the fixed price funds to be converted to variable price funds.

As the fixed price funds are of national interest, a public notice shall be served if there is such occurrence of a conversion.


So they will notify the public if there is a change.

Reading in between the lines (the last sentence), I don't think this time they will change it to VP. Ha.

This post has been edited by plumberly: Aug 20 2015, 03:41 PM
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Just to add some flavour to ". . . of national interest", mind you, it is not saying " . . . of national importance". A BIG difference in context.

Ha.

Just keep our eyes and ears open for news on the changeover, if any.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 20 2015, 04:28 PM)
I wud rephrase 'national service'  brows.gif
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Good one!

Who knows, later " national DONATION"?

Sorry, off topic.

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