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ultra_nyamuk
post May 12 2015, 11:46 PM

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Hi, i want to ask about tithing... Must 10% of your income... or just a tactic for churches to survive ?
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post May 13 2015, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ May 13 2015, 12:07 AM)
how to put that, if you're able to give 10% of your income then you are encouraged to tithe......but however not everyone can really follow the 10% tithe
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Must give ? And when give then floodgates of heavens will open ....if dont give then no floodgates of blessing open ?
I'm a christian, but sometimes when i hear these kind of statements...really makes me think. Does it mean that God wont bless me if i dont tithe ? I understand that churches need funds to survive...rental..maintenance..costs..etc...

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post May 13 2015, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ May 13 2015, 12:51 AM)
it's written in the bible but if you can give then give lar it's not going toward church but toward the welfare of the church and do remember that the church office workers including pastors are paid by your tithe, as well as monthly electrical and water bills as well as maintenance workers

nobody can force you to give straight away 10% you can start giving little by little, let say you earn 3k per month so if 10% is too much for you to give you can maybe start with less than 10% first?
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Can i know what's written in the bible... Help enlighten me.. im a bit lost..
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post May 13 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 13 2015, 08:38 AM)
Hi Bro,

No tithing is something that beneficial for us, it's not so much for God.

Why I say this? Because in the book of Malachi, it explained that though our life is redeemed by the blood of Christ and though it's true that Jesus bore all of our curses, the things in this world is not. Money is still very much a thing that is part of this world.

First and foremost we tithe as an act of worship unto the Lord.
Second We tithe as an act and testimony of our Faith, that we believe God is the provider of our life.
Third we tithe to protect our finances from the devourer. Devourer here means Satanic powers usurping our finances through negative circumstances.
Fourth we tithe because God wants to bless us abundantly.
Fifth, Yes God wants us to tithe to ensure continuity of the Church and it is a command even in the New Testament. (That all workers of God gets paid for ministry)
Tithing existed before and after the 10 commandment was given, so those who say Tithing is no longer required should re-read their Bible.

It existed when Abraham gave a tithe to the High priest Melchizedek (Abraham was 400 years before the Law) and Jesus (After the Law) also is in support of Tithing when He convicted the Pharisee of their hypocrisy when they tithe.

Hope this helps you.
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First and foremost we tithe as an act of worship unto the Lord.
- Ok I agree
Second We tithe as an act and testimony of our Faith, that we believe God is the provider of our life.
- Okay
Third we tithe to protect our finances from the devourer.
Devourer here means Satanic powers usurping our finances through negative circumstances.
- Why does Tithing protect my finances? If I don't tithe my finances are not blessed and protected by God?
Fourth we tithe because God wants to bless us abundantly.
- so he will not bless me abundantly if I dont tithe?
Fifth, Yes God wants us to tithe to ensure continuity of the Church and it is a command even in the New Testament. (That all workers of God gets paid for ministry)
- Ok..I guess this is understood.
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post May 13 2015, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ May 13 2015, 10:01 AM)
biggrin.gif I think it is kinda strange that the matter of giving becoming a cry for help. I can only respond in principle (as I don't know the condition you are in) ... that's is, if the believers, you are meeting with, is not forcing a 10% tithing, which, IMO is very unhealthy and should not be so.

That is the assumption, first and foremost lar.  notworthy.gif

If the church is always reminding the saints on how they practice ten percent tithing. This is too poor. The tithing of ten percent to the Lord is altogether an Old Testament thing, belonging to the law. There was no grace, life, or life power in that.

We are in the age of grace, which provides us with much supply of life. The dynamic salvation was accepted by Zaccheus in Luke 19:1-10. Immediately after being saved, that sinner gave up so much of his worldly possessions. That was not a tithing of ten percent; that was the very issue of the dynamic salvation. Likewise, on the day of Pentecost all those small members had everything in common (Acts 2:44, 45; 4:32-35). This was not one tenth of their possessions but one hundred percent. They put everything at the feet of the apostles, that is, at the Lord’s disposal. That was wonderful.

The problem is not how much or whether we MUST give. There is no such thing as forceful giving in New Testament. For example, the great Apostle Paul's journey was really only funded by one church. Can you believe it? And most of the time, he testified that there is no supply from the churches, and one time, he went back to tent making job so that he can continue. It is also that time, he gained Aquila and Priscilla in his jobs.

The problem is did you gain God in your giving?

Our God is a rich God. He does not need our money. Then why does He need our money? It is because where our treasure is, there will our heart be also (Matt. 6:21). Money is a material thing that belongs to the earth. Yet the Bible puts God and mammon together. This proves that man's heart is either touched by God or by money. God's test of a man's heart toward Him is in the way of man's giving.

E.g. If you find out that most of your money is spent on food or a thing. Then, you know that is where your heart is biggrin.gif

The question is, in your giving, is there transaction with the Lord? Does God touches your heart in how much you should give? Or whether to give?

If there is no spiritual transaction between you and the Lord, then there is NO VALUE even in giving 100%.
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I just don't like how sometimes Tithing sound "threatening" as if my life wont be as blessed if I dont give. Its a cry of help because it shakes my belief on what is really the agenda on Tithing.. Iman tershaken sikit..haha! Dont get me wrong. I used to tithe.. But When I start to see certain things or hear some things I started to doubt. Indeed God dont need the money..What is my little salary compared to Him. It sounds transactional sometimes.. Like FD.. U put in then earn interest(eg finances protected, blessings flow..etc etc..all the good stuff being mentioned) does it mean My God doesnt bless me etc without me giving? Sound like mlm.... Haha.. No offence though..Im just speaking my mind.

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post May 13 2015, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ May 13 2015, 03:11 PM)
biggrin.gif I think you are tithing for the wrong reason or the source is not right. It should be a cheerful giving. Maybe you should just stop and come before the Lord and bring the matter to Him. Let Him deals with your motive and being on this matter.

It is not that if you don't offer, your life won't be blessed. Gee ... the fact, that you are living, breathing etc.. you are already blessed by God. Do not look at things materially and financially.

We don't dare to preach the real gospel. Sometimes when we preach the gospel, men ask, "Will there be any rice to eat when we believe in Jesus?" We should have replied, "When you believe in Jesus, the rice-bowl is broken." This is the church. It is not that we will gain more in everything after we believe.

In principal, our giving should be for the fulfilment of God's purpose. For example, I give for the gospel tracts, Bibles etc. for the gospel move in Russia, Europe and Asia. I cannot go to these places but I can participate in the gospel like the one who is going, by giving. Perhaps, that RM2 printed for the tract will save someone and that person will welcome you in the kingdom when the Lord comes back. Won't this be wonderful?

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P.S. But I have to be fair, when one offers properly, he or she gained something ... it doesn't mean always mean monetary. But that is another matter.
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I dont want to tithe for the wrong reason.. That's why I feel irritated some times when the mention of floodgates of heavens being opened when you tithe.. Which somehow imply some kind of transaction or you help me I help you, which I don't feel good about.

I believe in cheerful giving which is sincere from the heart. Im no learned Christian but I do believe God will bless so you can be a blessing.. And i do understand its not always financially or material. Maybe I've heard some wrong things or things I shouldn't have..oh well..

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