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SUSRight Hand Man
post Mar 17 2015, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 09:50 AM)
God didn't put sin into adam and eve. He did created them with love affection. In the beginning there was no sin. They weren't put in a confine space like a container, the garden of Eden is huge. In fact God gave the whole world, the whole continent, before land broke into continents, it was their world  to rule.

I believe by theological commentaries, Satan already fell before the creation of Adam and Eve. Remember I told you that Hell was created for Satan? He wanted to bring as many as possible with him into hell, not God.

You have to get your understand of the flow and sequence of this correct.
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eh bro why u summon me here pulak..this is christ tered eh..
there's a reason i didnt ask here but instead opt to create my own tered..wouldnt wanna offend anyone...
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post Mar 17 2015, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 09:58 AM)
Same thing la bro, If I start answering in detail in public, Moslems might get offended pulak, so better I answer you here. Anyway, that's the answer.
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Hahaa..ok..u got point..


QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 09:50 AM)
God didn't put sin into adam and eve. He did created them with love affection. In the beginning there was no sin. They weren't put in a confine space like a container, the garden of Eden is huge. In fact God gave the whole world, the whole continent, before land broke into continents, it was their world  to rule.

I believe by theological commentaries, Satan already fell before the creation of Adam and Eve. Remember I told you that Hell was created for Satan? He wanted to bring as many as possible with him into hell, not God.

You have to get your understand of the flow and sequence of this correct.
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so the thing i dont understand is that why even create hell for satan in the 1st place? assuming god indeed get sad when sinned soul is tortured in hell by Satan. Why even give satan a place to rule?




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post Mar 17 2015, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 10:15 AM)
It wasn't meant to be like that from the beginning. When God created the Angels and Human, everything was good.
I believe Angels and Human they have this ability to make their own decisions of free will.

Something happened to Satan before He became Satan. He was Lucifer, a beautiful Arch Angel of God.

The Name Satan actually means persecutor, Hastan in hebrew. He became corrupted out of his own beauty and He wanted to remove God and be Like Him.

That is when God cast him out of Heaven.

God did not create Hell for Satan to rule but to condemn him.
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Ok..thanks bro.

But i thought Lucifer, actually got jealous because god treated human better than angels? Hence he rebelled? instead of wanted to be like him?

And the thing about hell was meant to condemn lucifer, why sinned soul need to go there as well? knowing that those souls will end up either being further tortured by satan, which would make god sad, or further manipulated and used by satan as his followers in the upcoming war between heaven and hell?

If ur fighting the nazi german, u dont throw ppl to nazi territory and see them being recruited by the nazi isnt it? that would jst strengthen nazi's troop.
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post Mar 17 2015, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 10:28 AM)
Yes perhaps that is also another factor but wasn't recorded in the Bible. What I told you about Satan wanted to take over God is recorded.

We can only assume Satan was jealous because God gave Man authority and dominion over his creation. The Angels were far stronger and more beautiful than any Man. But the ways of God is not the same as how Man thinks. For us we will select the strongest, the best, the most beautiful but God always chooses the lowly thing, the weak things to confound the strong. I believe the reason is humility.

Why Sinners need to go there? Well it's not that God force any sinner to go there, we all have a choice to choose, that is why I told you God wants to save us but Satan wants us dead and condemn for eternity.

That is why this is call the Gospel meaning Good News. Jesus came to save us, so that we don't have to go to Hell and be condemn with Satan. He offers us Life in Heaven when we believe He is our Saviour and God.
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ok..thanks bro on the satan wanted to take over god as i didnt really finish the bible. only managed to go through old testament.

I mean why when one sinned, they will go hell? wouldnt it be better if god create another place like a repent-corner or something, so sinned soul can go there and ponder over their mistake? instead of being sent direct to hell?
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post Mar 17 2015, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 10:49 AM)
Our repent corner is HERE, while we are on Earth breathing.
It's the best place to ponder our mistakes.

Jesus came to reach out to us, why? Because we are all lost. We're looking in all the wrong places.

Life is found in Him. In God.
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Aahhh..ok. that make sense. about the repent corner.

Anyhow, is it stated anywhere in the bible why god wanted to put sinned souls in hell?
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post Mar 17 2015, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 11:03 AM)
Not that I know of but God certainly did state very clearly that he wants us to Live! And go to Heaven, not Hell.

Ezekiel 18:32 (NIV) - For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Ezekiel 18:31 (NIV) - Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

Ezekiel 33:11 (NIV) - Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?'

Jeremiah 3:12 (NIV) - Go, proclaim this message toward the north: "'Return, faithless Israel,' declares the LORD, 'I will frown on you no longer, for I am faithful,' declares the LORD, 'I will not be angry forever.

Isaiah 55:6 (NIV) - Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.
2 Peter 3:9 (NIV) - The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 (NIV) - who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

John 3:17 (NIV) - For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

2 Corinthians 5:19(NIV) - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
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ok..got it. eventhough there's no completer answer to why it was created..but good to know god doesnt take joy in seeing soul being tortured in hell.
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post Apr 17 2015, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 17 2015, 04:16 PM)
Those are human kings. That is why i said the things of Man are fallible. That was whole point when I posted in that thread.

God didn't create Satan. All Angels Like Human have freewill to decide whatever they want to decide. Lucifer fell because He rebelled and wanted to be like God.

The title Satan came from this word Hasatan in Hebrew means The persecutor at Law, meaning one who persecute.

God gets angry and jealous because He loves, not wanting us to be hurt, as a Husband loving a wife.
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Bro..i thought God created Lucifer (aka bringer of light aka first light)..and when God pay more attention to mankind, which was created from mud, Lucifer arent happy and thus rebelled...or maybe i forgot about it somehow, but that's what i recall as now.

Do correct if i am wrong.
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post Apr 17 2015, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 17 2015, 04:30 PM)
How do you know that If He come in physical form, the pharaoh would let his people go?

God is different because he judges with divine omniscience therefore no facts escapes from him. Man on the other hand have to rely on whatever evidence is presented which can either be the truth or
planted truth.

No not the same.
Yes he created Lucifer.
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and when God banished Lucifer..he sort of transformed into Satan..or what was known to human as Satan. Eventhough he is still originally known as Lucifer.

As such, isnt Satan created by God? jst different name?
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post Apr 17 2015, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 17 2015, 04:42 PM)
Assuming you have a brother, as the older, you teach your younger brother all the goodways. Later he just rebelled and go crazy and all that, did you create the monster in him?  smile.gif
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agree agree...u didnt..but he's still ur mother's children.

But on society nowadays...if the children behave badly, usually the mum gets part of the blame as well, if not all. Sound not fair...but parents contribute to children's behavior...

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