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Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 03:09 PM

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Not know about the freewill bestowed upon the heavenly angels. But aren't the life of man preordained by HIS Almighty?

Verses relating to "preordained"
Ephesians 1:3-5 ESV - Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Ephesians 1:11 ESV - In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,


Verses relating to "no freewill"
Romans 9:15 NIV - For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

Exodus 33:19 NIV - And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.


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Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Right Hand Man @ Mar 17 2015, 02:46 PM)
ok..got it. eventhough there's no completer answer to why it was created..but good to know god doesnt take joy in seeing soul being tortured in hell.
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Here's a good read to arose your curiosity about "Hell" deeper.
Is Hell Forever? The Challenge of Annihilationism/Conditional Immortality
Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 03:12 PM)
A lot of information out there about God is rather untrue. You can ask us here in this thread.
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Then it's best that we wait for the Second Coming?
Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 03:23 PM)
Yes, God will have mercy on whom He wants and he made it very clearly that it is in his will that everyone comes to that place of mercy, so it's really up to each individual to take it.

Here's a verse to debunk there's no free will.

Matthew 21

The Parable of the Two Sons

28“What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

29“ ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

30“Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

31“Which of the two did what his father wanted?”

“The first,” they answered.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
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Nah...that's plain deception between the sons and their father to earn favoritism. Father was led to believe it was the second son that did the work by the end of the day. It's obvious that the second son over heard the conversation between the first and their father and took the best out of it.

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Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 03:42 PM)
No, that parable is in context to Salvation showing that either of the 2 sons had freewill to make their decisions.
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Then these two juveniles only had to answer to their father by end of the day. The father is responsible for their Christian upbringing. This should be categorised under proper parenthood.
Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 03:55 PM)
lol. No, that is not the point of the parable, you seem to be making up a lot of assumptions.
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Everybody can made assumption don't we? brows.gif brows.gif
Cerita Dongeng
post Mar 17 2015, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 17 2015, 04:01 PM)
Bro, if you want to troll, this is serious kopitiam section not /k/.

What instigated you as a Moslem to come in here anyway?
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