You keep thinking from the view point that God wants people to be condemned to Hell, despite me explaining it is not God wants people to be saved, it is the devil who wants you condemned countless time, <------- now how is that double standard on my part? So Far I think I'm very consistent on this part but you seem to ignore it.

No it's not about who being ignorant and forgetful, I believe I also addressed this in my previous post. If you can't remember about the Woman need to be silent thing, I don't think you'll remember this anyway. It's what you quoted on Woman needed to be silent in Church and you complained this to me that God is being gender bias. I also already addressed this issue.

UP to you man, Like I said, I don't want to continue if you're here just for personal argument rather than vying to learn from us.

All the best to you. I won't respond after this unless and until you really want to find out. As for the miracles part, even that I have already addressed WHY.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 13 2015, 08:45 AM

Hi Bro,

No tithing is something that beneficial for us, it's not so much for God.

Why I say this? Because in the book of Malachi, it explained that though our life is redeemed by the blood of Christ and though it's true that Jesus bore all of our curses, the things in this world is not. Money is still very much a thing that is part of this world.

First and foremost we tithe as an act of worship unto the Lord.
Second We tithe as an act and testimony of our Faith, that we believe God is the provider of our life.
Third we tithe to protect our finances from the devourer. Devourer here means Satanic powers usurping our finances through negative circumstances.
Fourth we tithe because God wants to bless us abundantly.
Fifth, Yes God wants us to tithe to ensure continuity of the Church and it is a command even in the New Testament. (That all workers of God gets paid for ministry)


Tithing existed before and after the 10 commandment was given, so those who say Tithing is no longer required should re-read their Bible.

It existed when Abraham gave a tithe to the High priest Melchizedek (Abraham was 400 years before the Law) and Jesus (After the Law) also is in support of Tithing when He convicted the Pharisee of their hypocrisy when they tithe.

Hope this helps you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 13 2015, 08:56 AM

Hey Pehkay, how are you? Noticed you took a break for awhile.

Okay take good rest bro, will pray for you, I hope all the fellas in this fellowship, pls pray for Pehkay as well. Just 1 minute of your time, those who are reading and willing.

Let us all agree in unison for God's Grace, Healing, Strength and Restoration to be on Pehkay's body and life in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 13 2015, 10:23 AM

Have you read the book of Malachi?

Bible Devotion with UW

Taking it personally



Galatians 2:20 is quite a famous verse for preachers, I heard it all the time, those who preach the strong obedience type of message, but they're missing something.
When Paul wrote Galatians 2.20, something at the end of the verse really intrigue me. He says ......the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. You may wonder, what's so significant here.

I want to give it straight to you at the beginning so that you can understand the rest of the message easily.

Paul personalize it. I believe God wants you to take this personally as well. That God loves you and gave himself for you. When you personalize this, everything changes, it's more personal so to speak. This is quite important because there are many Christians who don't know how to feel God's love for them. In their mind they'll go something like "Yeah Yeah God loves everybody, even the taxi drivers knows this".

This is the problem with some Christians, they don't personalize whatever God says and therefore do not feel the touch of God in their life. I say this from experience seeing that many Christian do not know how to experience God, they just follow and do things for the sake of following.

See, When you generalize God's word, saying "Yeah everybody this and everybody that..." the word of God becomes irrelevant to you. No wonder you feel empty and dry inside. The Apostle Paul personalize it, he took it personally and look at how far he went on his journey with the Lord, I say very very far. He knew a personal God because he took the word of God very personally and really apply as if the word of God was only meant for Him alone. I believe we all need to have this view and a personal application.

You can actually test this difference. Every Christians know John 3:16, (shame on you if you don't know this)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Replace the word "world" and "whoever" with your name, personalize it, meditate this and see the difference.

Why UW? Why should I do all this?

Until you take this personally, I can safely say, you're just practising an empty religion without a personal God involve in your life.
You know about God but you don't know God.

Dear Friends I exhort you, to start from Today to take this personally. To take personally, Every Word of God in the Bible, all his promises, All His words personally that it was written specially and specifically only for you and not for every TomDick&Harry.

God Bless.

Bible Devotion with UW

Alignment with God's Love

Morning Fellow Christians,

Today I want share something wonderful in the word that will help you to have a better perspective to all that is happening in your life, this might be important enough to get you through, in your down moments in life. Previously I've shared on taking the meaning, the promises, the assurance of God's word personally. To make it personal and to mean it personal, that the word was written just for you and no one else.

Take this passage for example in John 17:23 that says God Loves you as much as He loves Jesus. See yourself in the centre stage, there are no crowds, no one in the room, Only you and Father God. This is will be the accompanying script in supplement to the main scripture verse above with regards to all that I'm going to share below.

I've said this before and I reckoned it's worth repeating many times; You'll never know how much Father God loves you UNTIL.........
you understand how much Father God loves his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Just Stop and pause and think about this for a couple of minutes before continuing.

Knowing that God loves you is not enough. Don't see from the viewpoint that God loves everyone. Start to see from the Viewpoint that God personally LOVES you.
What is the revelation in knowing this? Here it is;

If you really acknowledge that God personally loves you it only means assured Salvation in ALL AREAS of your life.
That your life is well taken care of. How? Like a real Father who will take care of his own child, ensuring the best in life,
the Right education, the Right career, the Right wife/husband, the Exact children you will ever have or don't have, etc. One that is tailor made and suited only for you in your life.

Now please don't misunderstand this, thinking that you're going to be a billionaire and have a Miss Universe Wife and model looking children.
Don't misunderstand either, you don't have to do anything in life, or that it means you just recline on a lazy couch eating grapes. This is not the picture that I'm talking about.

The picture that I want you to see is that God's eternal eyes is watching over your life in love. I'll say this again; God's eternal eyes is watching over your life in love. So STOP worrying about your life and STOP worrying about tomorrow. Your worrisome mentality and the reactions of it are hindering if not delaying the things that God want to bring in your life, why? because it's gives the enemy opportunities to act on your distrust. Whatever and whoever God brings into your life, they are yours and your responsibility to work it out in life together in partnership with God.

KNOW this, when you know that God love your personally, everything will work out together. KNOW also that because God loves you personally, all the plans on your life is one that is designed to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11) NEVER something designed to destroy you. If there are any, it is not from God. (Isaiah 54:15).

Learn to correctly divide this truth. God wants to give you the abundant life, Satan wants it destroyed. Just having this simple perspective will help you to be stable and assured in the long run.
You don't need to run to this preacher or that pastor to fill in the clues why some things are happening in your life that seem to contradict God's word. Satan is a liar and one who always wants you to be in a confuse state. Always.

Also know this lastly; when things are not working out, you have access to prayer to redirect back whatever that has runaway away from alignment to back to God's alignment. Why? Because God is the one who made the good plans for your life, if Satan has divert it, you have every right to ask God for help and God will answer it.

There you have it. Hope those who are reading this, will take this on a personal level and apply it.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 15 2015, 11:14 AM

Generally should be ok IMO.

Theologically, antinomianism is the belief that there are no moral laws.

The apostle Paul was a very strong preacher of God's Grace to the point that people misunderstood him and accused him of preaching the theology of antinomianism.

But why is it that today most Churches don't get the same sort of persecution of this "antinomianism"?

It means we're not preaching the same gospel of God's grace that Paul preaches.

So when preachers like Joseph Prince are accused today of preaching extreme grace or lopsided grace, people saying we can as we like or we don't have to confess the sin guilt, I see the same thing that happened to Paul is being repeated.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 17 2015, 03:56 PM

If you look into Romans 6:1 and Romans 6:15,

Romans 6:1 (NIV)
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

Romans 6.16 (NIV)
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

Paul was quoting people who are charging him of antinomianism. (the hint is in the phrase "What shall we say then?")
You can say the Church of Jesus Christ at that time was asking Paul, "are you preaching such a theology?"
That We should sin more so that grace will abound more. Paul never preaches like that, the people either twisted what he said or misunderstood him.


Because in Chapter 5 (Romans), There is a passage that says where Sin increases, grace abounded much more. That was quoted by Paul, inspired from the Lord.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 18 2015, 08:37 AM

Problem is, you want to define God, Christianity according to your whim and fancy, that is why I'm not interested to pursue this.

It must be discussed based on what the Bible says, not what you or Dawkin or Darwin thinks.

Otherwise it will be a pointless discussion. This can end up, More like a I know better than you sort of argument.

I don't any interest if that is the direction.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 18 2015, 01:05 PM

The mainstream story is that everyone is separated from God because of sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?

That is exactly why our life is empty and meaningless. All these rat race in the world is vanity in the end. Meaning and truth can only be found in Christ. Why not other religion? I don't find other religious figure head claiming as such, only Jesus did, and He says, He is the truth, the way and the life. All these 3 emcompases the meaning of life. I have tasted it and I know it is the truth, my experience confirms it. What difference does it make with other religion? Their "supernatural" experience bears no notion of Salvation, neither does it give meaning.

I was a Buddhist and was in a way an Atheist. All that, disappear when I found Christ. The experience that I experience as a Buddhist is meaningless. The experience that I've experience as a free thinker also vanity and meaningless.

Tell me, you who support Danokcharger opinion, what exactly are the experiences of other religion and what are their meaning? If it still hangs on self performance to justify or qualfiy then I can tell you as I've told him, anything that hinges on the effort of Man is bound to be flawed and will result in NO Assurance with things pertaining to Salvation/Nirvana/Whatever. Why NO Assurance? Because Man is not perfect and thus has no way of being assured.


It was God's idea to send his son to die on the cross. That alone debunk the notion that God is not loving. The cross is the notion That He is all wise and all loving. Why? Because we all have sin and cannot come to God via good works, effort, whatever means. We have tried for thousands of years. Whatever Man does or setup, fails ultimately.

He didn't have to send his son. Could have just leave to you to justify yourself through your works and effort. The cross of Christ means you cannot so God comes in to help you.

Why do you think there is a difference?

I'll tell you why.

You don't know God, so your reading of the Bible, is according to your own interpretation and on the other side, believers who does spend time with God, who does know him, understand the Bible according to how the spirit of God explaining to them. How come? Because God is a responsive God.

The Bible are not dead letters. They are spiritual in nature, so it takes the one who design it to explain. Not Man, not you, dawkins or whoever.

You need to understand, I started from the same base as you have.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 19 2015, 11:21 AM

Same thing. A more technical term is antinomianism.

It's not the matter of knowing how much about Buddhism/hinduism/whatever religion but Have you personally subscribe to the Rigveda and see the god of that deity responding to you consistently?

Well, the Moslems have tried, don't think you will be able to make a hindu out of me. Just quoting their scripture is meaningless unless you understand the actual revelation within. The problem with you is that you think you can decipher whatever scripture text at face value. Same mistake that you did with the Bible. Please try to remember what I said about the Bible with regards to this. You seem to be forgetful at times.


1) Salvation has already been verified in the Christian community ever since Christ ascended to Heaven. It can be seen in the lives of Christians, those who know God personally. What do you understand the meaning of Salvation from Bible definition?
2) The reason Christ came is not to give Man religion or to teach Man to be Good, you have all the religion for that. Christ came to make dead people live, something other religion cannot assure.
3) If you're saying that other religion can make Man more righteous and wise compare to Christianity, then by that premise, I can say you don't understand what is the type of Righteousness that instituted for his believers, you must be thinking it has to do with righteous acts of Man. And pertaining to the matter of wisdom, of course you will see what you want to see. You can even say the God of Christianity is not all loving and all wise, again according to your spective. Your perspective does not matter. Anyone can say anything. What matter is the application. What matter of wisdom from other religion, that you think is more superior that you have applied in your life and the impact is also far superior? Care to give a real life example? Wisdom btw is not meant to be use for loggerheading. But for the sake of this discussion...
4) Stark Contradiction. The very fact that in Hinduism, there are so many different Gods, and readily accepts the notion that every religion and all Gods are the same contradict the meaning of the only truth.
5) All the scripture verse you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with panentheistic.

Well base on 1 point I see Christianity still monopolizes the truth.
And you can continue in your attempt in trying to set yourself free from suffering in this world. We have found peace with God, and that is more than enough to settle our heart for eternity. That translate freedom.

Well the law is already established for every unbelievers. This is something not depending on what you say. As such your sins will be the demise of your life. God is trying to save you, if you slap that away, that too will be your own doing.

Again I must reiterate you don't understand what is righteousness from BIble POV. Using this matter as a loggerhead with other religion is something that you brought up and rather irrelevant to the argument.

There you go, Arguments. This is what I don't want it to digress to but since you love it so much and you think that is the way to convince you (superior arguments wins the day)......well, I don't see the same.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 20 2015, 11:36 AM

What witchcraft?

It is not because I have great Faith that can move mountains, It is because of my God, who has move many mountains in my life for me, that I cannot turn my back and deny Him.
That is how my faith came to be.

I don't believe in superior argument from Man's intellect to change a person to believe in God, it has never work from that point. I know this for a fact, that is why you noticed I lost interest to debate in RWI.

It is the work of God's spirit (Holy Spirit) to bring conviction, (a prompting) that there is a God who loves you and wants you to be saved, free from this condemnation. He has provided a way through the cross of Jesus Christ.

It is the devil who wants you dead and condemned. He will accuse you and hold you accountable to every sins you have committed, hence his name Satan (One who persecute legally against man before God or accuser of the brethren: that is his title). Your good works cannot erase that.

Man's way of thinking is that everything must be superior to win. God's way is different, He will use the lowly thing in life, what Man define as weakness to win.

This is one indication that our faith, all these that you see and hear in Christianity, originated from God not from Man.

It boggles Man's mind, how can a crucifixion spell victory, it's suppose to denote death and the end. But it is the greatest triumphant over the devil and this separate us from all other religion. His death means Salvation for us. No other gods of this world has ever done anything for you, you have to follow or achieve their pattern (good works, whatever efforts) so to speak to achieve whatever goals that religion has set, so it still comes back and it is dependant to the striving effort and the strength of Man, accumulation of good works or deeds. This is true for hinduism, bahaism, Buddhism, Islam, and the rest. For Christianity is all about God who carries us through. The focus has always been on Him alone.

Man's way will say (like you) that it is the righteous act of Man that denotes righteousness. But God's way is the righteousness of Faith. When we believe, God credit that to us as righteousness even when we are not so to speak.

Man's way will say, it is the greatest, the fastest, the strongest, the tallest, wins the day, But God says those who are last shall be the first. Those who are humble and contrite in the spirit will be lifted by God.

I find that everything in this cosmos, is the reverse of God's institution.

BTW, The passage on Faith without works is dead is for the justification before Man, for him to be contented not justification before God.

This is your opportunity to forgive. It is to your benefit that you will see more of God. (John 14:21)

You don't need to be approved by Man, God approving you is more than enough.

Let the Holy Spirit be your guide and Jesus as the focus, the 10 Commandments was only a custodian until Christ came, so since Christ has come, it's time to let go the dependance of it.